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With Marshall on the Dolphins, why trade Ted Ginn?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's been explained many times, he IS NOT an average KR. But you refuse to see it, so I'm not going to sit here and explain it.

    Receiving, he was terrible last year. The year before, he wasn't. We'll see how he does this year.
     
  2. Occamzrazr

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    Think of Marshall/Ginn combo of as the Dolphins version of Irvin/Harper. Harper was considered the best #2 in the league because all the defenses were focused on stopping Irvin. Harper was the Cowboy's KR/PR and did a hell of a job while excelling at his #2 role. Ginn can be that player. But even more of a threat because hes light years faster than Harper. And Henne has one hell of an arm.

    I hope they keep Ginn also. Id rather lose Camarillo or Turner before losing Ginn.
     
  3. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    The team will be just fine without him if do choose to let him go.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    This is what Ted Ginn jr does really well:

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    With BMarsh in town, Ginn is free to create those opportunities.
     
  5. Anonymous

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    If Ginn can have the type of impact Mike Wallace or Robert Meachem had on their respective teams, we are set.
     
  6. normaldude

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    Ginn is a KR/PR.

    I'd rather have our starting WRs be: Brandon Marshall, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess (slot).
     
  7. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Parcells and Co. have loyalty to no one. It'll be an open competition and the best men will stay and the rest will walk regardless of who they are.
     
  8. Phinatic425

    Phinatic425 MIA State of Mind

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    I agree with everything you said bro. I really believe that Ginn will be factor this year, B Marsh is going to help all of the other recievers play better.
     
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  9. padre31

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpI1wElYoCs"]YouTube- Ted Ginn Jr. returns two 100+ yard kick-off's for Touchdowns - MIA @ NYJ Week 8 2009[/ame]


    And there is the thing with Ginn, big plays don't happen every game, but when they do happen they change the game.
     
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  10. FinFan316

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    I agree with you....if we could land somehow a top flight TE prospect, this offense would be incredible. I think our Oline is ok, but we need to address RG...we have some guys who can compete, but can they step up and dominate? I dunno.

    TE and RG are the only weakspots. I like how this unit has come together.

    On defense, we need a NT, OLB, and Free Safety. Those are critical positions. We also need our DEs from the 08 draft to start dominating people. We need some pressure from those guys.

    I am thinking we get a guy like Terrell Troup in the third round. I have no idea what we'll do in the first.

    However, I am liking how this team is coming together.

    When the season ended, I wouldn't have given this team a chance in hell to compete for the AFC Title in 2010. Now....I am liking their chances, depending on what happens in the draft next week.
     
  11. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Eh...while I'll admit he has some value, let's not get too carried away, Pads

    The guy is lightning fast, young and signed for a couple more years to an affordable contract......and we would still probably get no more than a 5th rd pick for him at best.

    There's a reason for that..... he has lots of holes in his game. And mostly what he does is disappear
     
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  12. Bpk

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    1) Marshall fixed his fumbling problem, but you;re right... he had one.

    2) Ginn, like you said, struggled with drops in 2009, but not before. He has decent hands, historically. But he doesn;t have those things between your legs that let you catch a ball when you;re gonna get hit... or touched 'hard' by a defender.
     
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  13. bluehaze

    bluehaze New Member

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    The point everyone seems to miss is that Marshall makes every reciever on the team better not just Ginn. So thinking that Ginn is going to suddenly become better than Bess Hartline or Camarillo just because we aquired Marshall is not really the most realistic way of looking at things.
     
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  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    You're right, just the Brandon Marshall buzz.

    I'm not utterly opposed to trading TG, I am opposed to giving him away the idea of "we got Marshall, dump Ted Ginn for a 6th rd pick" is just foolish.


    Sort of, agree about the holes in his game, but I think I understand his value to the Dolphins, long plays, he is a specialist moreso than a consistent Wr.

    Recall Alvin Harper in Dallas? That is Ginn to me, 40 receptions, most 20yds +, and a returner which Harper never was, and he and BMarsh can compliment each other, Ginn can clear out Safeties leaving BMarsh to work where he does the best, that 10-20 yd area.
     
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  15. padre31

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    They don't offer what Ginn does, explosive, long plays, he can menace the deep portion of the field, a couple of deep passing attempts a game changes everything for the underneath Wr.
     
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  16. PhinishLine

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    Ginn is the sole burner on the team.

    You simply have to get rid of one of the complimentary receivers in: Camarillo, Bess, Hartline.

    Bess seems a lock and Hartline is the younger posses receiver. I see Camarillo/Turner as the odd men out.
     
  17. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Unbelievable that there's still such a high amount of delusional fans that think Ginn will turn into something. He won't. Too much of a *****. No heart. Face it, Ginn will never become anything. He'll never be a "threat". Sorry, but having speed means jack **** when you can't catch, can't run routes, can't get off press, and are a *****. How can anyone want Ginn taking snaps from Hartline and Bess, two much better WR's? Makes no sense whatsoever. Hopefully Ginnger gets traded soon for anything, 6th, 7th, anything so we can stop talking about her already.
     
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  18. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    How the hell is Ginn explosive? Really? He isn't. He's fast in shorts, great for him. Good riddance.
     
  19. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    He is. Tell me again what he did after the Jets game? That's right, nothing... Know why? Because it's not hard to stop him from hitting the sidelines. Face it, Ginn is an average KR, as evidenced by his mediocre KR average.
     
  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well, every receiver in the league not named Greg Camarillo drops balls. Dropping one in a ten reception game is not a problem, IMO. He certainly struggled last year, but I think people focus too much on last season, instead of looking at his overall career.
     
  21. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Exactly.

    A lot of opposing fans would love to have Ginn on their roster.

    He has about 5,400 total yards in 3 years and will be on the books for about 1.3M this year. I can’t see anyone offering better than a 4th rounder.

    What are the chances a 4th rounder will be more productive in 2010?
     
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  22. padre31

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    Yeah, really.

    he averages a 30+ yd play every 13th touch.

    He finished top 10 in all purpose yds the two seasons they left him at kick returner, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant...:D
     
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  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    This post is factually incorrect it's not even funny. Can't run routes or beat a press? He was open deep plenty last year. Drops balls? Sure, he struggled with that for a few games, but at the end of the season, he was making really tough catches. Just because you hate him, doesn't mean that you should exagerrate his shortcomings.
     
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  24. padre31

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    Look at it this way, Santonio Holmes was moved for...a 5th rd pick, multiple 1k season at Wr, SB MVP and he rates...a 5th?

    Ted Ginn won't retail higher than Holmes, no way, we are better off with Ginn than some longshot 5th rd pick, maybe not even that much.
     
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  25. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Keep believing that. Then again you could just watch him play and see his struggle with press and run terrible routes for yourself. Ginnger sucks, always will. Thank god his time time as a Dolphin is nearing it's end. He's an embarrassment.
     
  26. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Agreed......in fact even if the plan was to trade him, I'd hold onto him for a while and hope to find someone in a bind and try to get better value.

    We've put up with him this long, may as well let him stick around and see what he can do with a guy like Marshall getting all the attention.

    Our FO needs to make up their minds on Turner.... it would be a shame to keep him, cut Camarillo and Turner end up being another Hagan.
     
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  27. bluehaze

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    One in ten receptions once every 16 games perhaps and 0-3 receptions the rest :lol:

    Seriously look at it this way who do you think they take off the field when Ginn comes out? Camarillo? Who would you rather have out there on third downs, Ginn or Camarillo?
     
  28. Killerphins

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    ive been known to bash the ginnster from time to time LOL
    with a different role, less pressure, and a new situation
    will ted be able to focus a little better and improve?
    I'm willing to find out if the only compensation would be a fifth at best
    role player type WR who can pop one once in a while
     
  29. Anonymous

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    It's been established he isn't, but you refuse to see it. Stats prove he isn't. He's explosive and is great at KR. Again, STATS prove it.
     
  30. Anonymous

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    How big is the smile on your face, lmao.
     
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  31. His'nBeatYour'n

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    You've got to look at the 6 player logjam at receiver and realize someone has to go and it will more likely be Camarillo or Ginn since they were pre-Trifecta acquisitions.

    Brandon Marshall
    Davone Bess
    Ted Ginn
    Brian Hartline
    Greg Camarillo
    Patrick Turner

    If the Trifecta feels their depth chart doesn't shake up much, going into the draft and training camp at least, they've got to get value out of trading Camarillo or Ginn. And Ginn would give them more value than Camarillo in a trade at least.

    Personally I'd love to see Ginn get one final year, with a top 5 wide out on the other side of the field, to fulfill his potential. The offense is going to really open up with Marshall and Henne in his first full year as a starter, and no one else on the roster has Ginn's skill set. But my gut tells me they move him if they can.
     
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  32. Killerphins

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    not too big i bet
    JS wanted bryant :lol:
     
  33. Anonymous

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    Why can't we just carry six receivers?
     
  34. Dorfdad

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    Been a Ted Ginn hater for a long time, but honestly thinking about it now having Ginn as a 2nd or third receiver might help him grow.

    He won't receiver double coverage, won't be expected to be the MAN and it may just actually allow him to play and stop trying to be the #1.

    He would be a great #2 or #3 player who gets 2, 3 balls a game and stretches the defense for the under routes.
     
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  35. His'nBeatYour'n

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    Probably because they are paying 1 of them $50 Million dollars and they wouldn't want to go short at RB or TE. But they would at least get special teams production out of the bottom 3 receivers, so it is possible they keep six.
     
  36. padre31

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    The thing of it is, Hartline and Greg C and DBess are redundant, only Ginn offers anything different than what those three do, and unless it is player for player, say Ginn for Cliff Avril or Tony Schefter, the draft pick we net won't make up for what we lost in Ted Ginn.
     
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  37. bluehaze

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    I agree with you to an extent, problem is if he doesn't fulfill his potential then what do we do? We've essentially proven to the league that he's a bust so no one else is going to want him and in the process we've lost a valuable receiver that moves the chains on third downs. So it's a lose lose situation. It's like Kenny Rogers says gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em! :lol:
     
  38. padre31

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    Well, no, and here is why, Ginn's return ability won't vanish, that is sort of the key to valuing Ted Ginn in a trade, it's not as a Wr, it is as a Returner.

    In that role he could wind up anywhere from Detroit to Atlanta to the Texans with Jacoby becomming more of a Wr this yr.

    Hmm...Ginn for Okoye straight up?
     
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  39. jetssuck

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    lol...pretty big :hi5:

    The price was kinda steep and I'm holding my breath hoping this guy grows up and this doesn't blow up in our faces.......but I'm excited to see what this is going to do for our offense.
     
  40. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    I agree that what we lose with Ginn is more significant, and not quite worth the likely draft pick compensation. I feel Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams have been in similar circumstances since Parcells took over, potential trade bait, but worth more to the Dolphins than to other teams.

    Though I agree Hartline and Camarillo are redundant, I think Bess is a unique possession receiver. I think Marshall, Bess, and Ginn are an ideal 3 receiver set.
     

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