http://cnhinews.com/node/2092 The supposedly damming criticism being leveled at Pat White this year, were known last yr...
I wouldn't think he would be, nothing that happened last season was outside of what Parcell's talked about in 09.
The real problem is finding room for him on the roster. Ideally he would have been the 3rd string qb, but in light of Thigpen and Pennington signings, I would be surprised. It will be one of the better stories this camp to see where he ends up. If i had to guess, I would think Pat is the loser in the numbers game and is gone.
Hah...can Pennington throw the ball anymore? Thigpen potentially traded? There is more than enough room for White on the roster, if anything they knew what they were buying in 09 so why wouldn't those two fight for a roster spot?
I wouldn't be so sure. The last time they came out in full support of a player he was among the first cut this off season.
Sure, I think all of those things are possible. IF it turns out Pennington cant throw or a trading partner is found for Thigpen, the Pat is in good shape. I just don't think those are the most likely scenarios. Assuming those scenarios do not come to pass, I think that all 3 of these guys will be in competition for roster spots, I just think that Pennington, assuming health is ok, is a lock. Thigpen vs White will be closer. As I said, it will be interesting.
The end truth may reveal that Pat White is just an exceptional college quarterback who's game just didn't transistion to the NFL. There have been many college quarterbacks who have fit that mold including some Heisman Trophy winners. They were great in college but just didn't meet their potential or expectation in the NFL. Look at Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf. Who knows, maybe Pat White will eventually become what they had hoped he would, if they don't give up on him, but right now odds are agains't it. I guess right now the question might be if he was drafted as a potential starting quarterback or was he specifically drafted as an option in the Wild Cat Offense?
You could also look up the scouting report on Patrick Turner and find that the same criticisms on his game from last season, were documented prior to the draft. Just means that's two players in that draft that they missed on...... And they had no idea what they were getting.... hell they have no idea what to do with him. Because he damn sure doesn't fit into the WC plans..... If they continue with this WildPat nonsense, they're likely to derail any chances we have to contend.....time to quit getting cutesy and play professional football.
have we cut anyone drafted by this regime within the first 5 rounds yet? edit: upon my own research, i see your talking about Murphy. gotcha. How isn't he considered our worst draft pick?
I'm not ready to give up on Pat White as a player just yet. But after watching him play, and more importantly, watching Henne play, I just dont see any point in the Dolphins investing the amount of practice time and game snaps it would take to get him on the field as an effective QB.
Was this meant to be a supporting argument for Pat White or a damning argument to show just how ill advised our FO was to pick Pat White? Parcells just stated he goes against everything prototypical you look for in an NFL QB and that they drafted him based on raw athletic abilities alone. Parcells just admitted that he did not draft a QB but an athlete. This clearly shows they in fact did draft him as suspected to be an athlete that can throw in the WildCat and NOT to be a regular F/T NFL QB. BIG risk to take with the 44th pick in an NFL draft when you've got a team full of holes. They got enamored with the one year wonder that the WildCat became and let it affect their normal judgement in the draft process IMO. Supposedly damning? It is damning and Parcells admitted it. The fact that they knew just how big a project White would be dosen't defend Pat White, it makes the pick of Pat White all the more unforgiveable
So what was all this talk about drafting prototypical players? This whole talk of "if you have an exception at one position, you suddenly have a team full of exceptions?" Or is that what they learned from drafting Pat White, and applied it to this year's draft? Something tells me they were riding on the high they had after 2008 and got cute, figured White could bring some playmaking ability to the offense as a sort of, secret weapon. Didn't work out so well last year. Maybe he shows some stride this year, but its looking like the experiment is coming more and more pointless, especially with the wildcat losing its effectiveness and the addition of Brandon Marshall.
The one who said that is Tony Sparano. Which makes it very apparent that he's a better football man than Ireland will ever be.
Thats a little dramatic no? God help the folks on the gulf coast right now, god help the Iraqi's and the millions of people in the US still w/out jobs. We already lived thru a 1-15 season, nothing Pat White does or does not do next year will put us in that situation again.
I'm glad we don't have a front office that closes the door on a draft pick after one year with a very limited number of plays, I'm glad Parcells runs this team and not a message board. Developing players takes time, we were not the only team after Pat White.
'We don't know where it's going." lol Awesome. I give Parcells credit for being like who the hell knows? lol Way better than some coachspeak bull****.
Bill Polian says the biggest improvement a player makes is between year one and year two. By year three you should know if you've got a player or not.
Seems to me the evidence points to White being a "parcells" pick not an Ireland pick..Turner on the other hand seems like Irelands F up but I can understand that one a little better and Hartline kinda makes up for it.
I was thinking of a target a little higher up the body. Sgt Werner Rachtman, meet Sgt Donny Donowitz, aka The Bear Jew. In other words Jennings, the next time you decide to play amateur scout for Parcells...don't. Keep yo big fat mouth shut instead.
Pretty much, what is passing funny to me is the "well he can't do this or that" which was known in the preseason in 2009, the article is from mid 09, and what Parcell's pointed out then, which must have been well known to the staff, is what fans are pointing out now...a year later. They already knew what they were buying, so what is the harm in letting it play out? It's not as if they are football morons, they did land Brandon Marshall basically for a 2011 #2 draft pick..
I think Pat White is a football player & will hack out a spot by being a jack of all trades & king of one only problem I see is which one @ this point & time? His versatility will save him if the coaches will work w/ him. having said that: he must contribute. WR, Slot, ScatBack, Unconventional QB, Trick/Gimmick Plays & SpecialTeams: Returns, holder/punter w/ run/pass option, whatever he must contribute in 2010.
Well,In Pat Whites case all he has to do is breath and complete 1 pass for improvement over last season
national football post had a really good read basically inferring that we changed our draft strategy from last year to this year for exactly the reasons you mention. I'll see if I can find it.... edit found it This article may help shed some light on this years draft picks: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-A-new-draft-philosophy.html Two signs hung in the Dolphins’ draft room last week. The first: “For the next three days, we are going to draft prototypical players that play football well in their pads on the football field.” The second sign: “Mascot players, fat cats and other favorites will wait until late on Saturday.” A return to basically grassroots drafting, sans combine, is something only an old school regime like this could pull off. We have scouts who trust their eyes and trust their hours of tape. It seems like in the opinion of Mike Lombardi this philosophy was in response to last years draft. If so it might help some of us understand the picks better from this year as well as last year.
Anyone who's read any of my posts on White knows I don't like the kid. Not because he's not a good athlete, but because he seems to be football stupid, despite the success he had at WV. My concerns are that if he had been drafted in the 4th-7th round, where he should have been, I wouldn't feel so disappointed. However, they chose to take him at #44, where an OLB coming into his second year would look pretty good right now. The bottom line is that White will stay because they took him so high and still have hope he'll work out. The thing is, he'll not only hamper us as a bad pick in 2009, but now he'll be the reason an RGM or Travis Ivey or Tsoumpas or a Thigpen doesn't stick to the roster... And doubly sad if it's Thiggy (which makes the most sense, if they are going to keep White) because we'll lose not only a good b/u QB but the 5th round pick we spent on him in trade as well...
What versatility has he shown ?? Is he a RB ?? Is he a QB ?? Is he a WR ?? Is he a returner ?? Is he a WCxQB ?? The answer thus far is no to every one of those questions... So where's that versatility you speak of ?? IMHO, he's not a jack of all trades, master of none....just a master of none...
I don't think there's enough room for Henne, Pennington, Thigpen, and White. That means that you're basically trimming depth from another position. I'm all for competition. And if White can beat out Pennington or Thigpen for a QB spot, then he deserves to be on the team.
Exactly Gunn. That's exactly what I said when we picked him, and I still feel that way. BUT...with a 2nd rounder invested in him, I think they have to give the kid a chance. If he is as much a competitor as has been said, then who knows...maybe, just maybe he cuts out a niche in this offense for himself. Sink or swim though, it's all on him. Agreed DC. I just don't see how we can carry four QB's into the regular season. My guess is either Pennington or Thigpen are trade bait. If a team's starter goes down in training camp or preseason, those two, and more than likely Thigpen more so than Penny, will probably garner the most interest.
sure that is easy to say but develop white where? at qb? and how? by marching him out onto the field once in a while to run the ball out of his formation? that is not developing a qb. he certainly can't throw the ball he looked scared to death doing that and his accuracy was god awful. i think we have to be more concerned about henne's development than the pat white experiment at qb. i'm all for white moving to say WR and seeing what he can do there possibly. as for pat white the qb i saw enough in the pittsburgh game to last me a lifetime.
after watching drew brees play for 3 years for the chargers, i thought he was scared, small, and weak armed. Clearly i was too hasty. You're going to judge White off 1 qtr?
Theres a laundry list of Qbs that sat on the bench for years and learned/developed before ever seeing the field. Its not unheard of for a player to take a roster spot while he develops physically and mentally, especially at the Qb position. Good teams don't give up on players after a handful of plays and one season, thats just a kneejerk fan reaction. The front office invested in White when they took him, they are going to play it out, fans should support that, after all we aren't New York or Philadelphia fans.
