We have been told they had their eye on Dobbins for a while now. They didn't covet him so he could chase PRs and KRs on Sunday. IMO the plan is to replace Crowder. Edds was drafted to be the nickel LB Subtraction by addition
Reggie Torbor was a back up LB who is easily replaced. With Crowder's limitations and injuries. Dobbins will eventually start IMO. We have a better future at LB these days
I think Crowder is a great player, but I couldn't agree more. I think we will see a changing of the guard in a short amount of time. If we remember they really took a long time re-signing Crowder last year, and this year they have more options at LB.
The day they traded for him Ireland specifically said that Dobbins would improve the back-end of their roster. So they did in fact covet him for his special teams play. And you don't describe a guy you think will be a starter as "improving the back end of your roster".
Palm Beach Post seems to think so...I believe Channing's days are numbers.... Dolphins ILB Tim Dobbins is expected to play on all four special teams units in addition to pushing Channing Crowder for a starting linebacker spot. Dobbins could very well prove to be a steal for the Dolphins in that draft-day trade that ended up with the Chargers getting Ryan Mathews. He's behind Crowder right now, but that could be a fluid situation in training camp. http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...-dolphins-have-big-plans-for-ilb-tim-dobbins/
Not many at all..however if he did actually win the job over Crowder, I dont expect him to be doing all 4 either...he would be more valuable at LB than ST at that point...
Isnt this the same Jeff Irish who also said good things about Wilson and AA, before he promptly cut him??.....I wouldnt read into much of what he says...it is clear Miami has an open competition environment going, and would be suprised if the starter was announced in that position before game 3 of the preseason....just me thinking...
I don't think he's really being thought of as competition for Crowder. Not only did Ireland say he was brought in to help the back end of the roster, but there was a quote from the LB coach as well. It was complimentary of course, but it was also obvious that he thought of Crowder as a starter and Dobbins as a back-up. Even Sparano's quote implies the same thing. You always tell everyone they have a chance to start, but it's clear Dobbins was brought in to play on STs.
We shall se my friend, I dont care either way, I just want the best person to play....I just wonder if alot of these comments were made, assuming CC would be okay injury wise.....I think them bringing in Dobbins in the first place would make you think he might not be...
You're doing it again man. You are assuming that Dobbins can't be the starter here because of what someone said. That is ludicrous. I stated because of Crowder's injuries and limitations yet you still believe there is no chance because of Ireland's comments. If Ireland said the sky is cloudy would you believe there is never a chance to see the sun.
Dobbins starting or not is irrelevant to how it improves the back end of the roster. The fact is, if Dobbins is starting, that means Crowder or someone else is now on the back end of the roster.
Won't say that either are 'locks' ... but both offer experience - and with Anderson, some versatility. Unless Folsom, Moses or Walden really impress at TC ... i see both likely to stay for this year. Next year is probably an entirely different situation - as both will likely be targets for replacement with Spitler, Edds and McCoy getting a year to improve. I do believe Dobbins will press Crowder, not sure he can kick him to the curb - since all we'd have left are Edds and Spitler for the 'inside'; i see all 4 making the team ... with Dobbins and Edds as role players and Spitler on STs. I don't read as much into Sparano's comments as CK ... since Wake IS a gifted pass rushing specialist - so i would expect accolades to roll off his tongue. Anderson is just an average guy .... so really not much to say -- outside of that he saw more 'ability' than he expected. Dansby Crowder Dobbins Edds Spitler Wake Misi Anderson McCoy are my (9) LBs ... (5) ILB / (4) OLB
I'm not just basing it on what was said. I'm also basing it on watching both guys play. The fact is that Dobbins has never played at the level of what Crowder played when he was healthy. I even checked the PFF to get a second opinion and their numbers verify that assessment. When you add those subjective and objective assessments of their play and then you couple it with what the GM, the LB coach and the HC said, its a reasonable basis to conclude that he was brought in to play STs rather than to be a starter. You, on the other hand, seem to be basing it on nothing at all. You're ignoring what the GM, LB coach and HC said and you're ignoring the PFF assessments of their play to conclude that he was brought in to be a starter.
It's one thing to say it's possible, b/c most anything is possible. If Crowder is injured, sure Dobbins may replace him. Just like if Marshall is injured Camarillo may take his spot. But there is no basis for the notion that Dobbins was specifically brought in with the expectation that he would start over Crowder. And comments claiming that Crowders "days are numbered" imply that you think it's a foregone conclusion. I don't see any reasonable basis for that conclusion.
They signed another LB today, Chris McCoy. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Dolphins-strike-deal-with-Chris-McCoy.html The more LB's they sign the greater the possibility will be that someone from last year will not be back.
I respectfully disagree bro. Dobbins playing special teams is a given, but I believe they see him as someone who could push Crowder. He is the physical kind of linebacker that Parcells looks for in his team.
Certainly not, there are no guarantees. But it is one more guy to throw into the mix to compete for a starting spot. I wonder if Anderson and Crowder can both survive this additional competition where the was less prior?
McCoy was a signee from the draft ... he has been included in most banter regrading OLBs ... he is not an ILB. If he shows any potential in TC, he will either be on the roster or PS. Do to our overall lack of depth at OLB, i believe he will make the roster - especially if he can make STs.
I really like McCoy. I think he's one of those guys who has the potential to become the steal of our draft eventually. But he's raw so I doubt it would happen this year. I see him as one of those guys who'll be on the back-end of the roster if he can play STs this year. If not he's PS material. But give him a year to learn from the sidelines and another year of playing experience and his potential is unlimited. Of course like with all "potential" guys it's also possible he won't make it past the first cut.
This speaks louder than anything on this thread..... Tim Dobbins impresses Miami Dolphins' Tony Sparano, gets deal http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/19/1689019/dobbins-impresses-sparano-gets.html I know this is some what dated info these days but it really drives the whole direction of the thread home. Crowder's starting job may be in trouble. If we remember they took an awful long time signing him last year. I really wonder how this will pan out.
I'm one of those people looking for an upgrade over Crowder but really bro I don't know what if anything that really means. I'm sure the day they made the trade they knew his contract status and knew they would have to give him an extension. I wouldn't read to much if anything into it.
Ya, I guess you're right. I ReAlLy want that Crowder upgrade though. I wonder of it was wise to dump Matt Roth to Cleveland. Maybe they should have been patient and moved in to ILB after he healed up
It is just a rumor that I heard from a member that has family in Miami, is that Roth was doing the juice. This is just a rumor, but it could play into the decision the management made with Roth.
matt roth was one of the few mistakes the FO has made he was developing well and only 26 when he left with no comp... transitioned well IMO
They didn't so much as dump him to Cleavland as they just simply dumped him. I'm not sure we will ever know the true story behind that move either.
That would explain a good part of it. I have to admit, that is one of the oddest situations I have seen in a long time.
