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[VIDEO] NFL Playbook: Marshall Gassed on Last Series

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  1. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    As an addition, Beast point blank said he was upset with himself on Michael Irvin's show, because his legs were gone on the last drive, he thought he should have scored on the final catch down to the 10 yd line when Fasano leveled that Jest Db.
     
  3. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Good info. And yes, I was also surprised he didn't score on that play.

    I remember Andrea Kramer said after halftime that Marshall had just got an IV. So that humidity was kicking his *** early.

    It won't get any easier. We play a few more games in that heat. ;) I'd hate to imagine what would have happened if this had been a normal 1 PM game. Thank Stephen Ross for getting two nighties to open.

    What you worry about is injury. When you're that fatigued, you're much more prone to getting hurt. He'd better get on his cardio asap. Spend his bye week on the treadmill.
     
  4. eric

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    all their videos keep freezing for me today.
    but their commercials never do. ah corporate priorities.
     
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  5. padre31

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    With Beast, he missed year round conditioning with his hip and they targeted him so often (17 times) that his tank just tipped on "E" at the worst possible time.

    It also points out that the rest of the Wr corps is lacking.

    Bring on Roberto Wallace!!!
     
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  6. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Roberto Wallace was out there on the last series.
     
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  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Was Davonne Bess gassed? I still can't believe he wasn't in there on that last sequence.
     
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  8. MikeHoncho

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    Dang, Henne could have lofted that one up there for him on that 4th.

    Yeah, where was Be$$? Hard to believe he wasn't used in the slot there.
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Which is why I think he sees a pass or two headed his way v the Pats.

    Butler is 5'10 180, Roberto W is 6'5 225 or more, that is the sort of matchup advantage they look for heading into a game.
     
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  10. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    I don't appreciate the night openers. For years (maybe decades) the south florida heat almost guaranteed this team home victories in September. If we can't win at home in September DUE to the heat, two things need to happen.

    1. Tear down the Nick Saban Memorial Bubble
    2. MORE conditioning in the south florida heat

    The day we lose the heat as an advantage is the day the Dolphins need to lobby the NFL to get us in the AFC SOUTH.
     
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  11. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    BM should be gassed...it was his first REAL game in Florida,on primetime,etc.
    The heat is not something you compare to Denver and he forgot how it felt. You need to get acclimated no matter where your from,or if you played 40 something games in your collegiate career in Florida or not.
    It's a conditioning thing and he'll be fine.


    You make it seem like he was Jason Allen out there.
     
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  12. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Good point Padre and conditioning is not a one week catch up. If dude is out of football shape, he will be out of football shape for the first four games.
     
  13. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I don't think he's out of football shape, just got gassed at the wrong time. Watching that video did make me feel even better about Henne because he clearly made the right decision on those plays IMO. It's just a shame Marshall was gassed and Fasano didn't go towards the ball on the last one. He comes to the ball, then it's 1st down at the very least.
     
  14. siciliansith

    siciliansith Resident Deviant

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    I know Marshall mentioned it on Irvin's show. Im also glad its on NFLN. It is one of those things Sparano talks about. SOMetimes ya need a player not a coach to drill it home. (Pennington does it with Henne).

    Im glad it out there now Marshall knows. To be fair the guy was trying to carry us on his back. We dont know the play calls at the line but if Marshall wasnt the go to guy he needs to atleast sell it better.
     
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  15. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    How about a little of that love for Fasano. If you go back to the FIRST play you will see Fasano running wide open. Marshall actually has a man on him doing his best Jason Allen impression. Fasano was running open on many occassions during this game and he didn't get the ball. It was forced into a perimeter receiver. I don't know when Henne will discover that the TE is his best friend. But as you can clearly see here, Fasano gets open.

    Second play in the video, Fasano open.

    The third down play, Hartline open.

    ....and finally on the fourth down play. They used this thing to illustrate a gassed Marshall. What they did not illustrate was that with a three man rush, Henne had the ball out of his hand BEFORE Hartline made his move to the corner........and a damn fine argument could be made that with an accurate throw to the corner, we are talking about a Hartline touchdown.
     
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  16. siciliansith

    siciliansith Resident Deviant

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    I hear ya but the same thing can be said, if Henne takes 2 mores seconds to look off receivers and the ball is batted down at the line we all yell Henne has to get it out quicker. I dont know what is best but in the end it all sucked. :sad:
     
  17. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    The guy goes 100% every play blocking running out his decoy routes and beasting DBs after the catch....shale it happened to him at the worst moment but I have a feeling he won't let it happen again.
     
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  18. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    False

    Sept 2009: 0-1 At home loss to colts
    Sept 08: 0-1 At home loss to Jets
    Sept 07: 0-2 Losses to Raiders and Cowboys
    Sept 06: 1-1 Win vs bills and loss to titans
    Sept 05: 2-0 Wins vs broncos and panthers
    Sept 04: 0-2 losses to steelers and titans
    Sept 03: 1-1 beat bills and lost to texans
    Sept 02: 2-0 beat lions and jets
    Sept 01: 2-0 beat oakland and new england
    Sept 00: 3-0 beat seattle, batlimore and new england

    In the last 10 years we are 11-8 at home in september. Not that much of an advantage considering we were 7-0 in 2000-2002 and then after that it hasn't been relevant.

    Last year it cost the average family of four 367 dollars to attend a game at Dolphins Stadium. With the way ticket prices are rising, combined with a a down economy it's little wonder why many people are staying at home for games. It's cheaper, you have AC and can get a better view typically. By throwing in the intense heat element you aren't helping to bring fans to the ball park. For the UF vs. USF game a couple of weeks ago, we had a 105 heat index for a noon game. Heat like that isn't good for your fan base, and it poses severe health risks. Also not everyone who are dolphins fans are 20-40 years who can take that kind of heat.
     
  19. padre31

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    Zod, love Beast Bro, but Champions do not make excuses they simply perform.

    Beast has to man up, know he was tired, but still if your nickname is "beast" you sorta have to live up to it, not down to it.

    I hope he is raging when we play the Pastriots as going into the Bye week it would be much better to have divisional wins over two opponents rather than one.

    This next stretch run of 4 games coming out of the Bye are pretty much the season.
     
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  20. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    To be fair, I think we do well to consider the state of the franchise in the later years.

    In '04 Ricky retired on the eve of camp and the team was in shambles overall. Wanny got fired and we surged late to finish a still miserable 4-12. The Pittsburgh game was played in a muddy monsoon.

    In '07 Cameron famously went easy on the team, they were out of shape and we had a record amount of injuries. We finished a Brian Billick Christmas present away from 0-16.

    The '08 Jets game was the first under the new regime. Close game against a more talented team.

    The '09 Colts game was at night. Another close game against an elite team.

    Your record is your record, but for the sake of argument it looks a lot better when we take into account some of that stuff. I remember the '05 opener specifically. Jimmy Cefalo told me that Broncos players were sighing, "Woooo, it's hot!"......coming out of the tunnel! Remember how Denver was spent midway thru the second quarter?

    That was the last game I remember us truly wielding the heat advantage. Probably because it was the last time we were competitive until recently. :lol:

    I agree with this wholeheartedly.

    The temperature is the overriding reason why Ross requested night games early. A lot of people find that heat oppressive.

    The night games also create excitement. If you've been to any of the recent nighties (Colts, Jets 2x), you know how electric that place gets.

    OT: Probably the best game I ever went to was the 1990 Wildcard game vs Kansas City. And yes, it was at night. :)
     
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  21. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Ask yourself this question: When did the Nick Saban memorial bubble open?

    Start your countdown at 2005 and you will see the "truth".
     
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  22. Stitches

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    Ask yourself this question: When did the Jay Fiedler stop being the main starter?


    Start your countdown at 2005 and you will see the "truth" :thumbup:
     
  23. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    So it was Jay Fiedler that could win in September and not December?
     
  24. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    You really cant blame him for that, its 88 degrees at night with 100 percent humidity and Marshall is the new guy.

    The Jets were getting gassed as well, this is why we should have pounded them with Ronnie more.
     
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  25. MikeHoncho

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    This.
     
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    He is coming from playing a ton of games, and practices in Denver. The Humidity in Florida, Louisiana, and Texas is extremely difficult to get used to.
     
  27. Big Red

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    I did not like the play call. At the beginning of the drive we were running a no-huddle offense which is more tiring to begin with. Then Marshall catches a long pass for a big gain. And then we go right back to him?! Awful.

    1st and 10 at the 11 with plenty of time and two time-outs. We should have run it. If Ronnie Brown gained 5 yards (his average) then we would have been looking at 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 10.

    Plus if Marshall had caught the fade pass on 1st down we would have given the ball back to the Jets with almost a minute on the clock! Let's say we scored and got the 2-point conversion. After the kick-off the Jets could have won the game with a field goal. Sparano still needs to improve on his clock management. I hope he realizes that.

    As soon as Marshall went out of bounds I looked at the game clock. It was around 53 seconds. I was like "Plenty of time. Give Ronnie the rock and see if he can punch it in." It's the safe call and the smart call. I don't know what Sparano and Henning were thinking.

    This loss is on the coaches every bit as much as the players. I hope we learn from these mistakes and beat the Pats.
     
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  28. Stitches

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    I really don't recall, it's been a while. I merely found something coincidental as well and used similar logic in pinning down the "demise" of our September success.
     
  29. finsincebirth

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    Could we not say then, that the talent on our team as well as the stability of the franchise has just as much impact as the heat. It's great if the heat wears down the opponent, but it does no good if we still suck and can't be a tired team. Also as others have said before it's just as hot at night. Muck you pointed out how crazy it is at night games. The atmosphere and fan base performs 2x better (the lack of a wilting heat helps that). Therefore what is more important, the heat that drains us as well or the fan base that goes nuts and gets the team pumped up. I'd say the fanbase would be a bigger advantage.
     
  30. MikeHoncho

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    Red is 100% on the money
     
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    Exactly. People were wondering why Henne wasn't looking for Marshall at the end and this is why. It's hard enough when you're doubled but add in the exhaustion factor and it was smart of Henne to look elsewhere.

    I'm not worried about this though. It's all about getting accustomed.
     
  32. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I couldn't agree more, with both of you. In fact, I was arguing (well...diplomatically debating) this point in the game thread earlier today. Big 30 yard pass play gets us to the Jests ten with 54 seconds and two TO's left, and we call four consecutive passing plays? We had them on their heels. And, Ronnie was relatively fresh. It's time to pound the rock. I mean, I just don't get it. From where I'm standing, play calling and clock management in critical situations is a serious problem for this coaching staff. It has cost us in the past (last year), and it doesn't seem to be any better this season.
     
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  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    #1 you score the touchdown. Period. Forget about time on the clock.

    #2 Marshall was on the guy one on one and is the best player on the team. That was the right call in that situation.
     
  34. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    ......and someone is forgetting that the closer you get to the endzone, the less a pssing game is threatening. The endzone is the 12th man for the defense.
     
  35. DOLPHAN1

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    I think the point is that BM KNOWS and will not let it happen again. Welcome to the AFCE and Miami Dolphins Football BM and KD.
     
  36. padre31

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    Henning's take on Beast:

    -expends a lot of energy prior to the game, he's like a caged tiger

    -went in early at halftime for several IV's

    Beast sounds like a wildman during pregames, and it also sounds like Henning has his hands full trying to keep Beast happy.

    I wonder if Henning would prefer Drone Wr's?

    :D
     
  37. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Watched this when it was on.....Guarantee the 1st down fade attempt is the one Henne wishes he had back.

    A better true soft lob would have helped BM....thus letting the only 1on1 with no deep help be taken advantage of by BM. I say this only cause spent legs do not rehab with each successive play...so 1st down was the best chance (kind of like the best time to plant a tree was yesterday mentality).

    The 2nd best scoring option on the same play since it was 1on1..was a better throw to BM's right shoulder (vs the deep flatter over the head pass Henne tossed) could have been completed since the space existed between BM and Right pylon with only the JET defender to BM's inside left shoulder.

    Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...but aside from a potential scramble to daylight to Henne's right (which seemed wide open) on one of those 4 downs...that lone inaccurate fade to BM on 1st down was the play to score on based on the coverage.
     
  38. adamprez2003

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    i read somewhere that roberto wallace ran his route incorrectly on the last pass to fasano and brought his defender to fasano which is why he was double covered when henne tried his 4th down pass
     
  39. padre31

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    I think BMarsh was just gassed BDH, he had just had that catch and RAC and the tank was on "E", and Henne and Henning did not trust Wallace of Hartline in that situation.

    We really need 1 more bonafide Red Zone threat, someone who just creates an automatic mismatch presnap, that is why I'm pulling for Wallace.

    6'5 with a 38 inch vertical leap is a natural mismatch in the endzone.
     
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  40. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Sure he did.....but 1st down was your best chance with a gassed Marshall. I agree....hindsight 20/20...Henne had what seemed like a higher percentage of success if he throws a higher - more time to judge and leap - type pass to BM over his head....or as I say, more toward the back shoulder giving only BM a shot at it. But he was gassed no doubt.
     

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