Miami Herald: Phins passed on Tomlin for Cameron

I'm not captain racism, nor do I call it all the time....But right is right, and, "Too hip hop"? I mean..Come on.

Everyone knows what that means.

 

Funny how racism rears it's ugly head. I don't love black people or white people. Good people are a different story. I love them all. My friends are good people, color is not worth mentioning, why should it be? It's known as being equal.

 

all this does is harken to the other thread about stability and consistency in values and vision ..... CAM with Mueller was the worst thing that could have happened to this franchise -- EVER. will never understand why ownership bought into 'his' vision ... that 1 year set this franchise back at least 3 .....

 

Where do I sign up to write hindsight articles? 95% of reporting has become "if if if". The art of being a journalist is dying. Say what you want about guys like Peter King but the guy hustles, is respected, has great connections and did it on his own.

 

The "too hip hop" person was either Joe Bailey or Brian Weidmeier, as they were the two other men involved in the search.

Neither is with the Dolphins today.

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This post deserves multiple fist pumps

 

Thats it im done.. I no longe want to be in this world im gonna go kill myself goodbye guys

 

Just because Tomlin is a great coach in Pittsburgh doesn't mean he would have succeeded here. Irregardless of the severe lack of talent we had, Pittsburgh has a structure in place for their players to be successful as well as their coaches. It goes beyond just their head coach. We did not, and still do not have that structure in place. IMO, Tomlin would have been mediocre here, better than Sparano, but still not great.

 

Tomlin was handed a Super Bowl Caliber team Cowher bailed out to be with his wife. If they make a super bowl run after 6 or 7 years of Tomlin then and only then will i give him credit for makeing a good team.

 

Lol...Wait a second..After 6 or 7 years of success, only then will you give a HC credit?

 

"Not enough attitude in his fist pump."

 

I agree to an extent with the assessment of our lack of successful structure.

But we can't keep looking back and saying that this or that good decision wouldn't have changed anything because the rest would still be so poor.

Good decisions beget more good decisions, just like success begets success.

If we hired Tomlin, you can bet your bottom dollar we would NEVER have drafted Ted Ginn; with Tomlin on board, I don't think anyone, no matter how much personnel "control" they do or don't have, could have chosen Pat White in the 2nd round without receiving a roundhouse right to the jaw from Mike.

In fact, if Tomlin had been hired instead of that idiot Cameron, I'd bet he would still be HC and we never would have had Parcells and his goons come in and ruin the franchise.

Imagine: a world without The Little Fistpumper.

THAT'S what could have been.

 

Good.

That's an untenable statement. The person who said that should be identified and drummed out of the league. He doesn't belong in the management of a game with, what...70% black players? A game that has taken measures to help break the pattern of good ol' boy network hires in coaching.

 

No kidding. Some people think it's acceptable. That's crazy

 

Ahh, Dolphins Fans favorite past time playing at "what if".

How about Tomlin bringing Ben R, Harrison, Polamalu, Ward, et al with him?

 

YOU think the Dolphins have a rosy future, and you're knocking "what if" scenarios?!

What else do you want to talk about, Padre? I mean, given that the guy we passed on because he was "too hip-hop" coached in the Super Bowl today you'd think that was relevant...but hey, who am I to make sense?

You want to exalt Sparano some more? Construct some more scenarios in which we have to ignore relevant chunks of history in order to make them work? Maybe if we do that enough we can make everyone believe that the draft really isn't worth the trouble teams go to perform their due diligence and participate.

So what's the topic then?

 

What do I really want? I guess that is what your question boils down to Nabo?

For Dolphins fans to stop wallowing in the past for a start, how about turning that realism unto what is the fact of the matter at hand?

The team was at a Startup Franchise level of talent when Parcells and Co arrived, they peddled Taylor because he was the best player on a poor roster who could return the most.

Imho we remember Shula and Marino fondly, they ain't coming back anytime soon Nabo, why not rehash the "Wayne H flew to Costa Rica to try and hire Pete Carrol" nonsense? He made the playoffs this yr..

Talk about whatever one will, I care not, however I will point out the folly of revising history and pretending that somehow, some way, the team would be better 4 yrs, or 6 yrs later "if only", there are no "if onlies" things are what they are so why bother?

I find it sadly funny we can be the only team to beat the Super Bowl champions in their building this yr, and have it quickly discounted, but a full fledged attempt to revise 4 yr old history is somehow assuaging?

"Eh, we beat the Packers, but they were missing starters, now if only we had hired Tomlin 4 yrs ago!!!"

 

So everything YOU want consists of the thoughts and actions of OTHER FANS - but not so much discussion OF THE TEAM, ITS HISTORY AND ITS FUTURE - WITHOUT THE BULL**** POLLYANNA?

Really? You come to a Dolphins MB and all you want is to blow holier-than-thou smoke up all our asses about the rosy future you can somehow envision without a shred of real justification based in fact or the projected results of a series of actions, but NOT to discuss what anyone else thinks if they disagree?

And then you resort to extreme characterizations like "oh, boy, he hasn't won a super bowl in 3 years so you think he's a failure," and "those Dolphin fans and their 'what if' scenarios"?

THAT'S what you want from this forum?

 

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers.

Eh, if you do not like your premise being deflated, then by all means, feel free to modify or make a better argument.

This from the cat who wrote "Pollayana" in all caps and bolded at that?

Set up a strawman, argue with yourself, end with a question mark then what?

Engage in your premise? Which one?

I've seen this for yrs, from "we should have drafted brady quinn!!!" When he stunk that went away, then it was "we never should have traded JT!!" then he flopped in DC, over and over, so pardon me if the sharp needle inserts itself into that balloon Nabo.

I do not believe anything productive will come from this discussion Nabo, so pardon me if bow out and leave the floor open for all the revisionist history one, or anyone, would wish to engage in.

 

We were 1 and 15 the year before they came in and you really think that they ruined the franchise? I would say we weren't in the best of shape prior to that.

 

cliches and half-truths...and then outright lies...and then more mis-characterizations.

That's all I see.

You're capable of more, but you're choosing to degrade the level of discourse in order to see if others will follow you into the mudpit?

Whatever, Padre. It sucks that you see fit to go this route, but it's your choice nonetheless.

Makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously anymore, though. Anything MORE, that is.

 

Well, fair enough Nabo.

 

We are being grouped now with the flailing franchises of the NFL....... ignoring the mistakes that helped get us to that point, not pointing them out and demanding better, will do nothing but keep us flailing.

Generally the ppl who use terms like "revisionist history" or "hindsight is 20/20"........ do so because they were wrong on that particular subject and or just hate it when someone pulls a few tassels from their pom poms

The two highest finishing AFC coaches this season were both interviewed and passed over for a guy that was fired and a guy that we tried and failed to replace..... that is in no way unimportant. It helps point out how bumbling this organization has been and until proven otherwise, still is.

And we the fans should be waving these facts in their faces

 

I love how it's "revisionist history" to point out that the franchise would have been better served to have hired Tomlin instead of Cameron...but it's okay to indulge in the delusion that we have a rosy future ahead based on what has transpired this offseason.

Of course, it's because you and I lack "faith," JS. We just ain't got that ol' time religion.

 

Were the Black Eyed Peas "Too Hip Hop" for anyone? Just joking, LOL

 

Too sh!tty.
If not for Fergie's T&A, nobody ever hears about the Black Eyed Peas. Ever.

 

Lol..They were TERRIBLE.

 

I know it's cliche but, "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." We have fans on this board who tow the Dolphin company line so hard that they buy into everything this franchise has done for the past few years all while failing to acknowledge the lack of success it has brought. How many fans on this board are completely against spending a first round pick on a QB? How many more teams do we have to watch win the Superbowl that invested a first round pick in a QB? How many 2nd or greater round QBs do we have to watch fail or wash out of the NFL before we realize the investment that is needed in the position?

Sorry to go off topic as I know this discussion has more to do with coaches. I just want to take this opportunity to suggest that I think our problems have more to do with a lack of QB than lack of coaching. I'll agree that Tomlin is a better coach than Sparano, no question. Love him or hate him, so is Rex Ryan for that matter. But would either have won a superbowl here with Henne at QB? No chance.

And JS, you forgot a big term that folks here use when confronted with mistakes from their past. "Strawman". I've noticed whenever some of the folks on this forum who refuse to ever admit they were or are wrong, are bested in a discussion or debate, they throw out the term "Strawman" without any meaning or correct interpretation of what the term actually means.

 

Yeah but, were they "Too Hip Hop" or, just half "Too Hip Hop?" You know I am just playing for a bit of fun.

 

i have no idea what that strawman sh%$ means..

This franchise, most of this fanbase, needs to draft one of the following just so the morale of the team improves...Newton..Gabbert..CKap..Mallett...one of those dudes needs to be on our team come april..

 

Agreed 100%!

 

I think this is a little fact most of you are overlooking here.

When that coaching search was going down, what were most of you wanting in a head coach? You were wanting an offensive minded guy. If Miami had hired Mike Tomlin, most of you would have gone ape poop on the message boards saying that Miami was going with a defensive guy again and would talk about how it was going to be just another Wannstedt situation.

It's easy to look at this situation in hindsight and say that Miami should have hired Mike Tomlin when in fact the majority of the fan base wanted an offensive guy. I was one of the few that expressed trepidation over hiring Cam Cameron back in 2007.

 

Because you wanted Chan Gailey.

 

Who is a damn good head coach.

 

To hell with the coaches. Just let Ireland keep pumping in great talent and "We Shall Overcome."

Name me a team, with great talent, who did not make the playoffs? Now, reverse it, and name teams with limited talent and great coaching.

 

That's a valid point, based in truth.

But the owners of the Dolphins have never consulted the fanbase in making decisions; if Ross had he would have never kept Sparano.

But like I said before: good decisions beget more good decisions. When we started making more good calls behind the Tomlin hire we would have started winning, or at least having realistic opportunities to win - and win OUT.

Then most people would have just enjoyed the ride.

And yeah, there still would have been those who said we should have hired an Offensive-minded HC like Cameron - until he was hired somewhere else and showed himself to be the woman that he truly is.

 

mmmm...Dunno if I'd go that far, but he's definitly a damn good OC