Dysfunctional : YOUR MIAMI DOLPHINS !

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  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Todd, you note a seam buster but who is your seam buster there?
     
  2. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    No, but you can do a better job of anticipating problems and needs. LOL. IE: Things like passing on Blount when we knew Ricky was getting old as dirt and that he, Ronnie, and Cobbs would be FAs....... and passing on Blount after losing 1 back to injury while having another one with a history of it.
     
  3. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Good question, Alen. I agree--- I don't think that Rudolph is a true "seam buster", but I believe he is more capable of such than Fasano and can get behind LBs easier.
    Hear me out. If we're going to be a solid & balanced ground game <with some passing capability>, then we'll need a TE who can excel in both blocking and receiving. IMO this role will serve as one of the keys to our offense.

    So even though Kyle isn't an elite passing threat, he is a guy we can groom over the next few years to become an elite #1, something that we will badly need if we want to effectively & unpredictably run AND pass, especially if we use 3 WR sets where he's the only TE on the field.

    I'm trying to look at this from a future perspective. While Kyle is grooming to be our #1, he serves as our #2 (which we desperately need anyways, so he kills 2 birds with one stone). In 2 years when Fasano is a FA, Rudolph will be ready to assume the #1 role and play it at a high level. Then maybe next year we target more of a receiving TE who can grow into our #2 when Rudolph assumes the #1 role. IMO it's extremely important for us to create better balance and dynamics, and although Fasano is a good TE, I don't think he offers us the type of offensive potential that Rudolph does..... and I don't think that he offers us the receiving capability that we'd want from our #2. So basically, I'm trying to seamlessly phase Fasano out of the offense in stages so that when we're finished, the entire TE position is upgrade across the board without us ever taking a step backwards.

    Not to mention, young QBs love big bodied, capable TEs, and I don't see Fasano fitting the mold of a Pettigrew/Gronkowski type mold.
     
  4. AdamC13

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    Leads me to think Ingram is the selection if he is on the board with Miami's first pick. If he is gone (trade down) then Williams. Ingram fits the mold of the workhorse Sparano would love to have.
     
  5. ToddsPhins

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    How about if we draft 2 TEs, with Julius Thomas being the 2nd..... and dress 3 TEs? That way, by the time Fasano is a FA in 2 years, Rudolph will be ready to take over starting duties and Thomas will be ready as the #2. I'd think this would be a good idea since NFL TEs usually take a few years to develop. Personally, I'd prefer to have a seamless transition on the field like this rather than thrusting an inconsistent rookie into the spotlight (or possibly be faced with over-drafting one based on need).
     
  6. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I agree. Right now I think they'll pick either Ingram, Ryan Williams (if he's 100% healthy), Pouncey, Carimi, or one of the OLBs (Aldon Smith or Quinn if he falls).
     
  7. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Arguing in a vacuum doesn't really help your case any.
     
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  8. Ozzy

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    bingo!!
     
  9. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Many teams passed on LaGarrette Blount. Easy to say in hindsight but at the time, the guy was an absolute dick.
     
  10. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Yeah because running the football has done so well for us here lately. I mean that is the strength of our team right....oh dang forgot we dont even really have a good runningback. This crap really ticks me off. I'm sick of the boring product that we have to watch every year on offense. I've seen a dog scratch its *** thats more interesting than our offense. I was for keeping Tony based on the fact that he changed the offense around, if we are going to get more of the same, show him the mother f'ing door and move on.

    I'd much rather see this offense score 10 points a game, trying to score 40 as opposed to see them score 10 points trying to just score 10.
     
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  11. Ozzy

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    The last two seasons Miami passed the ball more than they ran. Last year by over 100 attempts.

    Sparano is talking crap. I'm sure what he means is being able to run and especially in the redzone where they totally sucked last season.

    As a matter of fact, I'm sure he knows they need to improve both running and passing but by no means do I want them passing 69 percent of the time...
     
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  12. ToddsPhins

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    If you go back through my posts you'll see that I had no problem with his character and thought that his "punch" was actual the best thing that could've ever happened b/c I KNEW he would grow immensely from it and set out to prove everyone wrong. I stated numerous times that I wanted to take him in the 4th b/c, even though most people interpreted his "punch" as a bad thing, I actually liked it b/c the whole experience showed me a quick look into his psyche--- that he's an extremely emotional and intense guy who carries those emotions on his sleeve.

    There was zero hindsight for me in all fairness. However, that doesn't mean I like every player who goes around hitting people, as the circumstances surrounding each person are unique. That's the problem many people have------ they can't accurately differentiate or interpret the action or behavior to be either positive or negative, so they go with the default choice---- negative. Blount & Mike Williams (who I was also an advocate of and felt he represented no risk) are perfect examples. So is the Seahawks' Mike Williams, whom I said before season began that we should sign him b/c I felt he would break out this year despite being out of the league and previously busting.
     
  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    It's true really that Morris has a stud or two at WR and a beast of a RB and a quality QB. :angry:
     
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  14. Sadly I agree with this post more then I'ld like to admit.
     
  15. ToddsPhins

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    Then you add to it the young studs at DT. Talk about an offseason of impact guys who can turn a franchise around. grrrrrr.
     
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  16. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    SAY WHAT????

    Is that right Tony? Please Tony, go back and look at your stats for last year and tell me, game by game how many times you ran the ball more than you threw it? For that matter Tony, please show the number of times the offense was balanced with a relatively equal number of run to pass plays called?

    Run the ball?????

    We didn't run CRAP last year. We put the ball in Henne's hands to throw 35-45 times a game, with no running game at all. All defenses had to do was sit back and just wait...be patient. They knew sooner or later Henne would mess up and throw and interception. Kind of like shooting craps....sooner or later the table boss is going to call "7 out"...so it was with Henne.

    You can't put the ball in the hands of a young quarterback and expect him to throw the rock that many times a game and expect NOTHING but good things. Some of Henne's BEST games last season were the few times we had a BALANCED running/passing game....or when we actually ran the ball more than we threw it. Defenses were having to put 8 in the box to stop the run and that gave Henne one on one coverage in which significant pass plays were made.

    As they say in Missouri Tony...don't TELL ME you're going to run the ball....SHOW ME!!!
     
  17. jw3102

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    I have no faith in this coaching staff and that is why I did not renew my 4 season tickets for the first time in the last forty years. Right now I think the Dolphins will probably finish last in the AFC East division and they will be lucky to win five games next season. I look forward to the 2012 season when I suspect that Sparano, Ireland, Henne, and many of the other players and coaches now with the Dolphins will be long gone. In over forty years, I have never been as negative about the coming season as I am in regards to this next season of Dolphins football.
     
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  18. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    I'm the same. Never, EVER have I been anything close to this down on the Dolphins. The owner & head coach are not on the same page, the owner says he wants to open it up & make exciting football for the fans, and then you have the HC saying he knows it won't be popular (with the fans I presume) but that he is going have a boring, running game offense because that is what he knows & likes. The owner gets it......the team has lost 9 of the last 10 home games, and 12 of the last 16 in the last two years at home. And in that time, they weren't even an exciting team to watch, but a boring offensive team that lost in less than spectacular ways. And Ross gets that he is on the verge of losing a lot of his very loyal (101 sellouts in a row ?) audience, and for the 1st time in years I am afraid that a majority of the home games will be blackedout on local TV. This is not what he signed on for when he spent $ 1 billion for the team, and Sparano is not even someone he hired. If I were Tony, and didn't want to be fired, I would be doing everything I could to please my owner. But it looks like Tony is going to be stubborn, and it could be to his demise. Unless Ross is lying to his fans, or just telling us what we want to hear, and is really on board with what Tony's vision of the team should be, this is not a good situation, and could lead to tension between the owner & HC, and if things start off mediocre to poor as my gut tells me will happen, Sparano will be sacrificed very quickly by Ross.
     
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  19. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    He ended up punching another guy in Titans camp.
     
  20. Larryfinfan

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    Well, that's not how I read either comment, Ross' or Tony's. You can run the ball and still have an open offense. Tony isn't going to change his stripes, but that doesn't mean he can't throw the ball. A power run game that we all speak of simply means that you can run the ball when you want to, not that all you do is run the ball. That's the kind of game Tony wants. To run the ball when we need to and want to run the ball. That doesn't preclude passing at all. Ross wants an offense that moves the ball, but has some quick strike ability. Breaking a RB for a 45 yrd run is part of quick strike as well...
     
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  21. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Strange, very strange. I can't believe the "stick the head in the sand" mentality on this thread. WAKE UP people. Can't you see the dysfunction ? The owner made it clear, VERY CLEAR, he wants an offense like the old Dan Marino years. An offense that can score at anytime. The offense Tony wants, or at least is saying he wants, is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust - dull, boring and in the case of last year, not a winning offense. Its also a recipe for more Fist-Pumps-for-Field Goals.
     
  22. ToddsPhins

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    You just twisted that out of context to support your previous statement. lol.

    You try to say it like he's a bad apple when in fact he wasn't the antagonist in either case. The first time was from that douche Boise State kid running his mouth at a highly competitive, emotional kid who was furious about losing the game. I absolutely love seeing a guy that emotional after a loss. He showed me in 1 quick instance what us "profilers" spend an entire season trying to figure out about a player---- "Will the player bleed for his team?". Forget about measurables, talent level, or skill level...... that stuff means little unless you know the kid has the heart, desire, and passion to give you everything. Blount didn't throw the punch b/c he's a violent person, he threw it b/c he's intensely emotional about the game, competition, and winning. Big difference.

    The 2nd time was from a crappy rookie trying to show him up in practice by ripping his helmet off 2 plays in a row. Anyone who's been in that type of practice incident knows that a scruff will ensue, probably with some punches. Sorry, but your interpretation of him is wrong with all due respect.
     
  23. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    To each their own. I don't give him a pass for being a dumbass. The punches are the least of his problems.
     
  24. ToddsPhins

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    What are the most of his problems?
     
  25. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    It was documented at Oregon that he had issues with coaches, was late to several team meetings and he was not always in shape. Now some will say "he's changed!" but we don't really know despite his recent success. Tampa Bay has put up with difficult individuals in the past, as recent as Stylez G. White, who is known for his piss poor practice habits.
     
  26. ToddsPhins

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    Then you would be making a mistake b/c that entire instance was a big cue into the kind of player he is....... which is: the kind of guy you want going into battle with b/c of his heart, passion, and loyalty; the kind of guy a coach wants carrying his team b/c of his intense desire and competition; the kind of guy who doesn't disappear when you need him b/c he bleeds for you.
     
  27. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I don't want a guy like that, no thanks. He'll probably do something stupid and undisciplined.
     
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  28. ToddsPhins

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    That was before all that happened. Moments of crisis can change people. He was lazy and out of shape b/c he relied too much on his natural ability and took things for granted. Sometimes people just need a major eye-opener..... just like both Mike Williams's got theirs. Now, not everyone will "awaken", which is why the ability is needed to discern who will evolve and who wont. Just because you yourself are less sure about it doesn't mean that others are, too. I have 17 years on you my friend. lol.
     
  29. MarinePhinFan

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    When did wanting to run the ball well become "3 yards and a cloud of dust"?

    Last season some of the most potent, "score at anytime offenses" in the league ran the ball well. In fact, and without looking at the stats, I'd wager ALL did.
     
  30. ToddsPhins

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    You don't want a guy like that b/c you don't understand a guy like that. lol. You're not sure when to interpret it as good or when to interpret it as bad, so you go with the default reaction----- bad. You're gonna pass over a lot of impact players over the years b/c of it, players who represent tremendous value to your organization as mid-late round draft picks. Mike Williams and Blount are performing like top 15 picks; are they being paid like top 15 picks? Nope. If you can figure out who these guys are each draft, then what does that do for your team's overall talent level?
     
  31. Disgustipate

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    I think the funny thing is that despite your "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" act that you've seemingly managed to drive people away from what is a fairly popular opinion about opening the offense up. The idea that the owner and the head coach have different preferences for running an offense isn't in any sense dysfunctional unless the owner is going to try to get involved in the football side of the ball. If that's the case(Which there's no evidence of to this point), then there are much bigger problems, and it's Ross that is dysfunctional.

    Ross' job is to run the business, sign the checks for the football people, and to shut the **** up. Period. That is his function, and there can be no dysfunction unless he interferes with the coaches and front offices jobs unnecessarily, which he has not done.
     
  32. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Thank you for telling me what I don't know.
     
  33. Southbeach

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    I may be wrong but, the only times I've seen saying "your team" was from opposing fans. Stadium, and arena, announcers are a bit different.

    Do you not post for everyone to watch, read, and say something about them?

    Thanks for the crock of gold reference. That was nice. LOL
     
  34. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    I haven't done anything other than offer my opinion, which is, like anyone else on this board just as valid as the next guy. NO ONE on this board in actual truth has any more credibility than the next. None of us are employed by an NFL team, so nothing, not even a UD hack carries anymore real weight than the next guy. I say its dysfunctional, you (and others) think otherwise. Time will tell who is right or wrong. I like my chances better than yours.
     
  35. Disgustipate

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    I feel like this is an important point people are missing because it's not really about what actually happened, it's about how they feel
     
  36. DolfanJake

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    Throwing passes doesn't always mean a wide open offense and you know that. Checkdown dink and dunks are not a down the field, wide open passing game. Don't play stupid with me.
     
  37. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's not really in the slightest bit true. There are opinions that are much more valid than others, there are people that are much more credible than others here. There's a tremendous amount of difference between say, someone on this board who got published in Sports Illustrated, and someone who is posting about a general mysterious sense of foreboding that probably belongs more on their Facebook or something.
     
  38. Vendigo

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    Very true. Usually we dismiss the first one and invite the second one into Club ;)
     
  39. Disgustipate

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    You do of course realize that the overwhelming majority of passing plays called do not call for the ball to be thrown to a certain player or route, right? And that the quarterback makes that decision based on what he sees, right? And that the offense both Dan Henning and Brian Daboll have as a fundamental aspect of their passing game routes run at multiple depths on most any given play?
     
  40. DolfanJake

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    No it belongs here. Just because you don't like to hear or read it, that is on you. You are in denial, complete denial. This team has HUGE holes and problems that I don't think this regime can or will fix. Time will tell who is right and wrong.

    And I too have been published, almost 100 times in trade magazines in my field of expertise. Big deal. Getting published in a magazine is not that hard.
     

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