It would seem that way, and I'd agree that weight poses as much a problem as height. Ben is one of the rare examples b/c he can move his weight well.... but if he couldn't, then I wouldn't want to draft him just as I wouldn't want to draft an overly tall QB who's impaired by it.
4 or 5.... the last 1 still wasn't thrown by Penny. If Penny were so great, then why the need to run the WC so much in the first place, especially in the red zone?
yea, his 85% completion percentage and over 10 yards per attempt had nothing to do with Miami winning that game.
I doesn't matter who you are, when your speed of motion isn't as fast as your body has the potential to move, your gonna get in trouble on the next level where speed and fractions of seconds become the difference in making plays or not.. Personally I have not said Mallett will not make it in the NFL, he's just not my style of QB for where I would like this team to go, and, I dont respect how he went thru college training in becoming a Pro athlete,{ not at this point and time}, I am done with the dropback passer that has no ability to buy time and extend a play, Ive lived with that all my life as a dolfan...I want all the tools in the skillset to be at my disposal..Iam hopin our regime feels the same.
I didn't say it didn't..... but you can't say that Miami would've won w/o the WC. The bottom line is that the WC scored 28 points for us no matter how you slice it.
Yes I can, I can say it easily. Miami would have won w/o WC. The only reason it wouldn't be valid because it is impossible to know. I think the chances of Miami winning w/o WC is around 98%. defense was playing gangbusters, Pennington was extremely efficient and non wildcat running plays were effective. No matter how you slice it, Pennington was a big reason why Miami won that game. If Pennington had a horrible game, you cannot say that the wildcat did enough to bail Miami out of the game. Only one of the touchdowns was a play longer than 20 yards.
Exactly. All we know is the WC was responsible for 28 of our points. If the success would be around "98%", then why did we need the WC to begin with?
We don't know that the WC was responsible for those points. We know those points came on plays out of that formation. We have no idea if it was the formation itself, or if the execution of the players, or plays run previously that was responsible for the success.
Yeah I agree, its not the wildcat itself, its a solid formation, its how it was used that became a major problem.. Mark Ingram is very good at it though.
We didn't. With how Miami was playing I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that Miami would have scored 14 to 21 of those points without the wildcat, they could have scored at least 9, which would have been enough for a victory without the wildcat. Even though that would change the dynamics a little of the game. I understand how people who didn't watch the game gives the victory to the wildcat. I do not understand how people who actually watched the game do.
now you're just trying to get into semantics. How can you not know the WC was responsible for those points? If we score on a wildcat play, we score on a wildcat play. Those weren't 28 imaginary points. Execution of a wildcat play is still a wildcat play. Seriously, since when is execution not important to ANY play? I'm not sure how a previous play can set up wildcat TD unless Ronnie was the QB on the previous play. It's the WC----are you forgetting that the QB comes out or splits out wide? It's not like a pass by Penny sets up an inside draw. It's a clean slate when the WC comes in b/c it's unrelated to anything Penny did. The only thing we can say for certain is that 28 of our points came during wildcat plays. No one on the planet can say that Penny would've had the same success in converting those points.
But we didnt. Did you know that Pennington had 3 INTs in 32 pass attempts inside the 10 yard line during his 2 years prior to Miami? That's pretty horrible. Are you gonna try and tell me that if he throws a pick 6 that suddenly makes the score 10-7 Patriots that it couldn't alter the outcome like we saw numerous times last season? How about Penny coming off a loss to Zona the previous week where he was 10-20 for 112 yards and zero TDs? Are you gonna just assume he sticks it in the endzone after that performance?
Or if Miami just ran the ball, they would have been just as fine. They were also running the ball really well without the wildcat.
That's entirely possible. I couldn't disagree with that. We had rushed 41 times for 121 yards the previous 2 games combined, so I'm guessing they felt it needed a boost. Although I would agree---- if something's working at the time, no need to change it. That probably comes down to Sparano and/or Henning's seemingly scared attitude. That's been Tony's MO has it not---- constantly trying to tweak things?
No, but you're attributing the success to the WC itself. Somehow I don't think you'd be acknowledging the formation as responsible if we were running out of an offset-I.
I do not really care what Miami did in the pervious 2 games combined. All that matters to me is that in the game against the Patriots, people are giving the Wildcat WAY too much credit. Even the wildcat does not work if the offensive line does not block their man. Also lost in people's analysis of that game is Pennington's great performance and the defense shutting down Matt Cassel's Patriots.
Cassell was starting in what?--- his 3rd game since middle school? I'd hardly call that "his" Patriots.
No I'm not. I'm refusing to attribute our 2008 success to Pennington alone or throw him onto some pedestal when we were in a division without Brady or Rex while playing the easiest schedule in the NFL that we needed a WC to be successful against. For someone who blames Henne so much for our woes as a team, you certainly dont have a problem doing the polar opposite by throwing excessive, unwarranted credit to Pennington. Let's see here: no running game, wild cat sucks, Oline sucks...... the stagnancy is Henne's fault. however-- wildcat is causing damage, ground game is doing well, Oline is playing well, and we're beating easy teams....... Penny gets all the credit. Then--- running game sucks, wildcat is dead, team cant move the ball or score the first 3 games of 2009....... it's ignored and we refer back to 08 Penny, our Lord and Savior.
You're right. I do say that. Can we stick to the topic please. It's kind of the do as I say, not as I do mentality. lol.
I don't think I ever blamed Henne for the 'stagnancy'. Inaccurate passes, not feeling the pass rush, not maintaining eye level, not looking off safeties, those things are Henne's fault. It doesn't take rocket science to isolate one's play in the context of the entire team. But by all means, if you think Chad Pennington had more talent around him in 08 than Henne in 2010, please continue believing that.
LOL I might have told good ol Todd in this case well, I might like to argue just to argue but you Todd, you love to argue just to argue. Dude don't go down without a fight and the freaking Google girl he uses as an avitar is to throw us all off... waiting for a good ol Shaddup from him now..
yeah well, I might love to argue just to argue......... but you, Mr. Biggums, love to instigate just to instigate.
gotchya..... so 6 practice squad guys at WR & TE, a horrible ground game behind 2 washed up running backs, and a disaster of an Oline suddenly count as superior? I'm not really sure I agree.
