Game 7..rewind thoughts..2nd half...Omgoodness..

Take out Long, Carey, put in the third string Center and remove Marshall at half time while facing a team that played in the NFC title and get back to me on that one.


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201011180mia.htm

That was the game the Defense could not keep the Bears off of the field, they dominated the Time of Possession and Thigpen wound up leading us in rushing as he was running for his life most of the game behind the oline that lost 3 starters.

 

Nope, the Ravens run blitzed and Henne played Capt Checkdown, we fell behind and Henne proceeded to fall apart:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201011070rav.htm

22 of 34 3 int's. 231 yds -0- Td's.

My goodness, I don't think Henne is as bad as some make him out to be, but this reconstructionism of his 2010 season is absurdity defined, he had some piss poor games no doubt it.

 

Considering his YPC was 6.8 and Peyton Manning averaged 6.9 on the year, I wouldn't call it checking down. The one thing you can do well is use stat monkery to prove your point. Watch the film and you'll see what the stats don't show.

 

He may still be 1 year removed from becoming Manning yet.

 

i remember this one. I lost a lot of faith and hope in Hartline after this one. It was one of those "God damnit what does henne gotta do" type moments. i think i ripped Hartline for the entire week after that play. In an offense that lacks big plays, you can't drop that pass. You just can't. It should have been a complete game-changing play and all it was was just another heartbreak.

 

henne played pretty awful against Baltimore. I remember that game well. Specifically the missed td pass at half to the wide open fasano.

But the whole offense sucked. As Toddphins said, Marshall handed Ed Reed one of those INts. It was a simple pass, bounced right off Marshalls hand, and of course reed was right there for it. I know we didnt run well in that game.

But Benching a 2nd year QB cause he got bested by the Ravens Defense? thats ridiculous.

 

That's not even close to the point. Near identical number, but no one would call Manning a Captain of Checkdowns. It's inconsistencies.

 

All I can muster up is WOW!!


Na, I can say that I see a ton of excuses for his play from you.


Was he as bad as we thought last year? More than likely no, but wow man, you make it seem like it was everyones fault but his that the team failed last year!

 

The first INT Hartline fell down on his out cut allowing Ladarius Weeb to get the pick, kinda like when Marshall fell down vs GB and Tramon Williams got the pick. The 3nd pick was when Marshall made a token effort to catch a slant and tipped it straight to Reed. The 3rd INT was w/ 30 seconds left and we were trailing by 16, so call it what you want. Henne's only bad throws IMO were the two before halftime. He was late on the smash route to Bess, and Bess didnt score b/c of it. Then he air mailed Fasano in the back of the end zone on 3rd down so instead of going into half time w/ a lead and momentum we go in deflated and trailing. In the 2nd half the defense couldnt stop Ray Rice, ST screwed up again, and the offense couldn't sustain a drive. Not Henne's best game by any stretch, but he didnt "fall apart" like the revisionists claim.

 

Poor run game, poor pay calling, poor field position, poor coaching, poor OL play, poor TE play, injuries all over the place, including Henne's knee. Those aren't excuses man, those are reasons. Much respect to DJ for going back and rewatching the games. I'm a junkie so I watch em 2-3 times during the season, and 2-3 times after the season, so I see where he's coming from and I think most objective people would see the same thing if they took the time to go back and watch the tape.

 

Okay Ozzy. give me a good reason to blame a receiver running the wrong route and two receivers falling down on Chad Henne, and I'll change my view of the situation.

 

[video=youtube;PbHkJ2DQHqE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbHkJ2DQHqE&feature=related[/video]

 

Thusly this is the very last time I post on a Henne thread Deej, respect you too much for it.

Henne is now on my Ginn list, just not worth discussing.

 

He doesn't allow anyone to be in Henne's corner man. Even if you are giving him facts he still won't listen.

 

I'm junkie enough. I actually don't have to go back and watch it a bunch of times to see things. However,
I do commend you guys for doing so.

As for my post. What you said here really has nothing to do with it imo. I've said it (most of the same things you listed) a thousand times since the season ended. Most of the above are not excuses. Your correct and it is reason to me that throwing Henne to the curb could be a waste and a big mistake! They're reasons to think it could get better, including and most of all, Henne.

 

You don't know what the hell your talking about! I like Chad Henne well enough to want to see more of him so shaddup!

 

I am getting the feeling that now with Ginn being gone Henne is the next guy to cause problems for Dolfans and Henne has just reached that Ginn like point where you either really like him, or you really dislike him, and all of the stats just won't change anyone's mind.

Until Henne goes out and proves what he is and what he can do on the field threads about his play are going to cause the flames to start.

For me, I dared to suggest unconcern with Henne and heard static, to me if Dtrain is a Feature Back and diminishes Henne's importance and we need a LG, as for us it is more important than the Qb you should have read some of the stuff that came in as a reply.

To me it is obvious, we should pound the rock, Henne should not throw the ball more then 30 times in any game by design.

Do not see the benching as unjust, I think Henne does not produce plays, I further hope Nolan has had a chat with Sparano about what sticking with Alex Smith meant to him in SF, I further would literally rip Denvers GM's arm off if taking Kyle Orton off of his hands if he hits the trade market.

That said, if Henne opens as the Qb on MNF I shall expect him to play well and to operate the offense well enough to win the game. I think he can do it, but it is up to Henne to actually do it if you get my meaning, he has to be a Qb who makes things happen even if that is handing the ball off perfectly and blocking on end arounds to get it done.

Even at the end of Ginn's time in Miami I still thought he should be kept, even if as a Returner, feel the same way about Henne.

 

I never said you didn't like Henne but for some reason you seem to have issues with those who have less doubts about the guy and think he was put in a really awful situation.

 

In that list you practically blamed everyone but Henne for this teams failures last season. You give me a wrong route, and I'm sure I can dig up a blown pass to match you. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure if it played out, Henne would be a little bit behind with bad throws.

Henne was nothing special last season and the rest of the offense was as bad or worse considering there are 10 other guys on offense. But he showed some flashes of greatness which should be what we're all dying to see more of. Along with some better coaching, and a couple of players to add to the mix, it could get interesting.

 

The only issue is how you label Marshall and do nothing but tell people they're making excuses for him with injuries, no run game, three and four people on his back. Then you say it's ok to do that with Chad Henne because he's young and learning. I say you cannot have it both ways.

 

Love pocket passing Qb's!! Henne showed some signs last year that he was learning to use it. If he can slide up in there and buy that extra second, he could be lethal.

 

Sure you can and that is my stance. Marshall should be farther along than Henne right. Do you always grade a first time full time starter the same as a veteran player who should be leading by example and making plays. Replace those two names with any other inexperienced guy and a veteran and pretty much anyone will tell you that you can't gauge them the same. Everyone knows that.

 

No you can't and I'll call you on it everytime!

As to what you said in this thread about me, I have hardly said a peep to you or anyone defending Henne!

 

Eh, I always preferred a Qb who can move a bit, when the D has the Receivers on lock down the Qb who can pick up a first down running it is a massive PITA.

Not emotion he lacks Deej, it is killer instinct.

Hopefully some time with Uncle Fester will up ye olde testosterone level in Henne, want to see laser beams want to see, as Hartline said last season "passes through the air and into the endzone", not short of the endzone as it is the "safer" throw, but a rocket ball into a Wr who is covered chest for the TD on the happy side of the big white line.

 

Jay Fiedler was a winner. It wasn't usually pretty and we never torched anyone through the air but the man won football games. I think it's unfair to name him in the same sentence as those other yokels. Trent Green, Culpep, Beck, Lemon, Brian Griese, Lucas, Rosenfels, Harrington (my god the list just shocks me every time i compile it) most of these guys were clowns but Fiedler had some magic to him.

 

We're cool man.
I've already taken ownership on Henne getting one last shot and well if doesn't work out then you definitely move on. I absolutely have to see him out of Henning's system to really know.

I'll take some heat off Marshall you take some heat off Henne......
Might be good for the site honestly.

Deal?

 

Jaybird's problem was staying healthy. Had he been able to play the entire 2002 and/or 2003 seasons, we'd have made the playoffs and maybe won a couple.

 

Actually it was 4 missed FGs. Two from 48 yds, 1 from 61 and 1 from 53 yards. None of them chip shots. The one that would have tied it late was a 48 yard miss. Not trying to nitpick, thanks for the post.

 

yeah KP, shaddup.

 

That's not true. Crocker was a starter and he played. Roy Williams was out and replaced with Reggie Nelson, but Williams isn't as good in coverage as Nelson anyway.

 

He only did that a few noticeable times last year (and was successful when it happened IIRC), so hopefully he's caught this on film and will try to become more cognizant about it in the future.

 

If Denver ditches Orton in order to start and further develop Tebow or Quinn, and we pick Kyle up to start in place of OUR young QB who is also still in his developmental phase, then IMO this regime doesn't deserve to ever get another young QB again.

Maybe Nolan instead passed along to Sparano what happens to a young QB when his crappy Oline allows 183 sacks in 4 years, including a league's worst 55 sacks 2 years in a row.

 

Oz might've harassed KingMo in this thread (which is fine b/c it's KingMo), but I don't think he has issues with fans of less doubt.

 

Sure seems like it was an act of desperation in retrospect. At the time, I didn't mind them giving Penny a chance. Now obviously that was the incorrect point of view.

 

i wasn't against the idea at the time either. We were relatively in the playoff race and the idea of pennington bringing stability to the position was comforting. But in the end all it accomplished was rattling our young QB, who actually responded incredibly well to the situation.