Comparing Chad Henne's first 3 years to Drew Brees first 3 years

Yes it is, the Rams were in the toilet for yrs prior to having what amounted to a 1 game playoff for the NFCW title.

Nope, a Feature Back is an absolute necessity, especially if a young qb has to have time to develop, if there is no other lesson one should take away from the Brees to Henne comparison, let it be that one.

 

A strong running game is what's important. A feature back is just one way to get that.

 

Disagree with that notion Rafi, where you find a young Qb who developed, you find a Feature Back most of the time, the RBC approach waters down a running game from an approach stand point.

 

It depends on the play calling. The feature back only happens more often b/c it's easier to find one good back than two. You usually end up with a better back and a lesser back. But with only one back you open yourself up to dependence on the health of one player. And running back is a position that seems more susceptible to injury and a short career span than most. However, there is nothing magical about having one back vs. two that helps your offense more.

 

Disagree, Eddie George types of backs are actually difficult to find, the week in and week out horse types are not really on the NFL's radar very often..today.

This is one of the reasons why I think there is hidden value there as I'd prefer to be on the leading edge then chasing a trend that is one of the reasons why I have high hopes for Daniel Thomas, first 2yrs at running back and he leads a major conference in carries and yds?

 

We shall never agree.

That is known as "convicted", and one SB? And Mendenhall went over 300 carries for pitt, but hear what one wishes to hear.

 

You can disagree all you want to padre but first you had best go and convince the Mr. snap count, fist pumping HC of ours to give the ball to any/all RBs on this team that many snaps. You can point to Cleveland, Oakland, or any other team of your choice. They are not the 23 RB carries per game Miami Dolphins lead by Mr. 3 and a cloud of dust Sparano. Which works out to 368 carries not your stated 440 x whatever x whatever = Winning team stats.

You can point to any and all first/second round RB picks who do good and I can counter with any number of late round or UD RBs who have been and are successful. The debate is useless without factoring in the play calling, o-line coaching, the comittment to have and coach up the players who "FIT" your system. None of which we have at the present moment in time. We could have Jim Brown and Otto Graham in our backfield and with TS and BD on the sidelines we would still be DOOMED to failure imo.

 

While I still have high hopes for Chad Henne and do believe he CAN be a GREAT NFL QB, the MAJOR difference between Chad Henne and Drew Brees was their QB's coach. Can't remember San Diego's QB coach that coached Brees, but as I recall loooking this up before, he had success with Brees and he's having success with Phillip Rivers.

Our QB coaches have...well....left ALOT to be desired.

 

The current QB coach John Ramsdell joined the Chargers in 2006, Brees' first year in New Orleans. I think their QB coach before that was Brian Schottenheimer, the current OC for the Jets. Both of course are very highly regarded.
The Dolphins on the other hand, moved the WR coach to QB coach, a position he has heretofore never held in his coaching career. I hope that once Pennington accepts the fact his body isn't going to hold up playing QB anymore, that he would get hired onto our staff. I'd feel better with him working with Henne than having Karl Dorrell.

 

There are always orders of magnitude of differences, shipmate. It's like the difference between a Chevy, a Lexus, and a Maybach. We had a Maybach at QB for several years around here and could not put a winning team around him. His play spoiled us rotten, and we have compared every QB coming into camp to him, which is not only unfair, but also self destructive. To move up in this draft would have cost us Way More than it was worth with the other holes we had in our offense...

 

Ramsdell...YES!!! That's who I was thinking of. I could have SWORN Ramsdell was the QB coach for Brees in San Diego when I was doing that research before. Regardless, as some of you MAY remember, I was pushing for hte Dolphins to hire Ramsdell as our QB coach to try and work with Henne. I don't think anyone can argue the QB success Phillip Rivers has had under his tutoring.

On the note of Schottenheimer, if your memory serves you correctly about him being Brees' QB coach in San Diego, I don't think anyone can really argue with the success he had with Brees there either, nor the overall success with the Jets with their young QB in Mark Sanchez.

That being said, I never laid blame on Henne for our dismal performances last year, I held the coaching staff accountable. I think the GREATEST thing we did was fire Dan Henning. Now will Brian Daboll be the answer? Hard to say overall offensively, but with an untested coach going from WR's to QB's, that makes me as scared as two hookers in church on Sunday. I hope you are right about Pennington. Say what you will about him but the guy is SMART and in my opinion played his BEST football when he came to Miami and not beat up like a punching bag as he was in New York. I think he brings ALOT to the table in being able to mentor young QB's.

 

1, Henne wasnt terrible last year, or at any other time. 2, we didn't have the Number 1 pick and a handful of franchise caliber QBs to choose from. Mior details I know, but it makes a difference IMO.

 

IIRC correctly Cam Cameron was the OC in San Diego during that time & we brought him here and then drafted John Beck, a QB who was viewed as having a similar skill set to Brees. I wonder what woul'dve happened if we had kept Beck and let him have it out w/ Henne. But I wont argue w/ 11-5.

 

I remember people trying to compare the first two years of Jason Allen to those of Troy Polomalu. Like it has any bearing.

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It's important to realize that, while Daboll doesn't necessarily have the offensive coordinator chops, he's developed a reputation as being good with quarterbacks. I think that's one of the reasons he was high on their radar.

 

Cuz Rivers is ****... Gimme a break. Brees would not change the chargers fortune. Rivers is as good as they get. He's stuck with a ****ty O-line, mediocre running game, and one pro-bowl WR who sat out 10+ games. Brees would of not won a SB in SD. He's a great QB and all, but he should be thankful he landed with Payton. Get real dude...