The Matt Moore plot thickens?

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Cannot argue with it, the main players on the team were not happy with Chad Henne's 2010 performance.

    I personally think they respect Sparano to much to just thrash Henne in public, but I also think when Henne threw that int 2:00 in to the Patriots game the team packed it in, that sort of broke the proverbial camels' back.

    If one has the stomach to rewatch that game the only Defensive player who had any intensity was Cam Wake, everyone else sort of mailed it in imo due just being fed up with Henne, Qb play has that much of an effect on a Defense imho.

    Unless the D just has the will to be Dominant which I do not think that unit has in it as of yet.
     
  2. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Who's Matt Moore?
     
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  3. padre31

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    TBH Deej, I think Henne was told in no uncertain terms that is was up to him to win his teammates back and even then his job was no longer his job if they can find someone better.

    Henne was on Joe Roses' show and said that he knew they were going to bring someone in and that the job was not his, that does not bespeak of a Qb who was assured that things were fine, now I do have more faith in Daboll then most do, partially because Colt McCoy is not much of a Qb imho and he squeezed production out of him as a Rook, but there were reasons why Henne said he watched the first day of the draft to see if we drafted a Qb.

    Who was going to replace him.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hartline...Padre please..If he really thinks that way, the he way he played football last year, he should shut his mouth..and how do you know he didn't mean Henning...There's proof that Henning was ultra conservative inside the 35...stuff that we've been over.
     
  5. Stringer Bell

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    I'm fairly certain if someone did some research on the Carolina Panthers team that surrounded Moore and the Atlanta Falcons team that surrounded Matt Ryan, they would discover that Matt Moore was put in a position to fail and should be given a second chance.
     
  6. padre31

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    Aiight Deej, to me, those are clear signs of what was going on behind the scenes, you see it differently, that is what makes forums great Bro.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'am supposed to take these quotes, where folks don't even know the context of why they were said?, and take them as their specificly calling out Henne and forget what I saw and heard..I'd rather listen to interviews to hear in their voices how they feel.

    I'am not saying we shouldn't add a QB..I'am basing my argument on whats out there, going against what Henne and the team are doing right now..
     
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  8. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    You all seem to be ignoring the part of Wake's comment where he says he stands behind the guy with full confidence in him. Just sayin'.

    As for Matt Moore, I don't see him as competition. He's depth. If you want competition, you sign Vince Young or Marc Bulger.
     
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  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So you think after rewatching the film that Henne deserved the benching?..I assume you did, and do.
     
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    Why did Cameron Wake feel the need to qualify his support for Henne, and point out that he just doesn't want to add to any indecisiveness of second-guessing that could cost us games?

    Why not, when asked if he thinks Chad Henne is a good quarterback, just say "F--k yeah"?
     
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    I think a season and a half was enough to show some upward trajectory which he wasn't showing, and the coaching staff were desperate for the kind of spark that Pennington once brought to the team in 2008.

    You can't look at the situation one-dimensionally. Would I be benching Chad Henne for Tyler Thigpen at that point? No. Would I be benching him for Chad Pennington? Yeah. In fact, I was very clear even before the season started that a healthy Chad Pennington would lead the Dolphins to more victories in 2010 than Chad Henne. That didn't go over well with the crowd, as you can imagine.
     
  12. padre31

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    Deej, I personally listened to the interviews when those things were said, I would not post something like that out of context.

    There are reasons why I'm on the car lot kicking tires and chatting with the sales people about features and financing etc...

    Have not tossed Henne overboard yet, but let me just say, I did pull my stuff out of the trunk of my car.
     
  13. djphinfan

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    To be clear, I'am not saying Henne should not get competition..I'am saying that some folks are painting a picture that the team is over Henne at this point.
     
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    Well Deej, that is something no one can really say, do think Henne has a lot to prove to his returning teammates, also think if they can find someone to straight beat him out they will do so, not sure if Matt Moore is that guy.

    Also think the same thing that saved Sparano's job, the lockout, will probably save Henne's job to start out in 2011.
     
  15. djphinfan

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    I understand that, but when you do commit to the young QB, and that young QB performs to the level that would not warrant a ligitimate benching, what are you doing to the future at the position..

    I understand they were chomping at the bit, but having a 5 and 3 record and beating the steelers and packers in the process while posting a good QBR, while keeping in mind your developing the QB of the future, maybe should of been handled differently.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    This is why I've defended Henne in this thread...

    Henne's teammates have just as much to prove to him, as he does to them...That shouldbe the proper dynamic after watching themselves.
     
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  17. Desides

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    Matt Moore?

    We’re now floating Matt Moore as a. a legitimate quarterback b. who can compete with Chad Henne on even terms c. to lead the Dolphins back to the Super Bowl?

    Can I just fast-forward my life one year so I can find out who the next regime, hired January 2012, drafted to replace Chad Henne?
     
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  18. ckparrothead

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    1. We didn't beat the Steelers
    2. The benching was about personal performance not team record. By your logic the Fins never would've drafted Dan Marino.
    3. A 76.7 QB Rating is not a "good" QB Rating. That was his rating heading into the Tennessee game.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    Sad, isn't it?
     
  20. PhinGeneral

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    I don't think they were all that committed to him past training camp last year. Remember the Parcells "disappointment" quote emerged before the season even started, and the "Pennington as a bridge to Thigpen" report wasn't much later. If anything, it appeared they were biding their time until Pennington's shoulder was good enough to play.
     
  21. Desides

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    It’s getting to the point where my stomach churns whenever I think “2011 Dolphins.”

    Thank the sports gods for Pat Riley and Josh Johnson.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    That is the only reason I can give justification for the benching...They should of been more open about their intentions instead of letting the public perceive it to be all his fault.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    I'm thankful for the Heat, whether I'm bandwagoner or not. Also was nice to cheer for the Lightning in the playoffs. College football will start and I think people are underestimating a little bit how much they could immerse themselves in college football to fill the void that the NFL will leave. I think the NFL is underestimating that, as well. And the NCAA might be underestimating it, otherwise they would be more aggressively pouncing on the NFL's weakness (games on Sunday, etc).
     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    It's only his fault to the extent of the simple fact that if he played better he wouldn't be in the situation.
     
  25. Desides

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    Exactly. I typically don’t watch college football, but I’m getting pretty invested in seeing how the Al Golden era begins in September. Sadly, the NCAA as an organization is basically the Mexican drug cartel of the sports world… but I’m still going to watch. And how ironic would it be if the only games played at Sun Life this autumn are Marlins playoff games?

    Matt Moore… :pity:
     
  26. djphinfan

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    we have one of the youngest {3rd I believe} teams in the league, is that not one of the objectives to accomplish when you have to build a team from scratch.?

    Its year 4..were young, we have a damn good defense, drafted 4 players that filled needs offensively, and were united more than most other teams..

    Tebow just flew in a couple of receivers to Jacksonville to participate in their first practices..lol

    I believe there is reason for objective optimism.
     
  27. padre31

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    Eh, love the Heat, but it is not the same as the Dolphins, cannot stomach NCAA football any longer, can watch the Canes, the rest of it reminds me of watching my local minor league A ball team, the joy of watching has been sucked out of it for me at least.

    As for moving to Sundays, I'd doubt that happens as advertisers have to prepurchase their ad time, who would roll the dice that NCAA ball will move to Sundays and be successful in so doing?

    On Topic, have to think maybe Stephen Ross was behind Henne being benched, at least speculate about it, based on what Pennington had to say when he recounted telling Chad Henne he was benched.
     
  28. Desides

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    It’s all for naught without a quarterback. You’re supposed to build a team around a quarterback, not play musical chairs with a bunch of scrubs. Cam Wake and Jake Long do not a championship team make.

    Observe the Atlanta Falcons and Matt Ryan, or the St. Louis Rams and Sam Bradford.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    disagree, your not taking into account the natural progression of a 2nd year starter.
     
  30. Desides

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    Serious question: what progress? Henne got worse as the weeks went on, not better. You can’t take into account something that doesn’t exist.
     
  31. padre31

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    And how many Championships have they won?

    You are amusing Des, as if the NFL works like the NBA, "just sign Peyton Manning and Chris Johnson and Darrele Revis"
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    Since when is that the "natural" progress (none) a 3rd year player should make?
     
  33. padre31

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    Going into yr #3, this is Henne's make or break yr.
     
  34. texanphinatic

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    Tampa and Freeman - also a very young team, and one on an upward arc instead of downward like we finished.
     
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  35. Desides

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    Would you prefer I cite Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers? The point is that these teams were awful until they got better at quarterback, and they’re going to continue to get better.

    The Daniel Thomases of the world don’t make teams into champions.

    The irony is that the only player you just listed that I actually like going forward is Chris Johnson.

    Great example!
     
  36. padre31

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    They also played a soft schedule, let's see how they do when things get more difficult.
     
  37. padre31

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    Oh sure, draft a Qb with a #1 and let them sit for 3 yrs, that will work, dolphins fans, some, will cry, whine, *****, and moan about "why isn't so and so playing?!?!"

    I can recall the folks who were calling for Henne to start in 09 over even a healthy Pennington..they got what they wanted.

    How'd that turnout?


    Indeed.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    How ridiculous is it that when I look at Super Bowl futures odds and whatnot, I actually have to say that the Buccaneers are a good wildcard for winning it all? The team was 3-13 in 2009.
     
  39. Desides

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    And what relevance does this have to anything I’ve been posting? If you have a problem with people who complain about QBs of the future, then go reply to them.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    Steelers and Packers were ''awful'' before Berger and Rodgers arrival?...They weren't Des..
     
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