No, I would tear up his contract, and give him a new 4 year deal. I would give him $4M this year (guaranteed), $6M next year (half guaranteed), and then $8M for each of the next two years (not guaranteed) with incentives.
Yup, I would rip his deal up and make him an offer..Besides Jake, He's our most important player, he's true, he's a dedicated football player, he has no weaknesses to wait out at this point, make the kracken happy.
It's unfortunate for him that he took a while to get his head together, but that has nothing to do with whether he should not have to pay his dues like everybody else.
Have to disagree again (this sets a record). It des make a difference because he is not like everybody else. He is an exception.
But there are many cases where a player acts and deserves to get the final year voided out..I think the guy has positioned himself at being top 5 at his position by his peers in a very short period of time, his work ethic, his motor, all these things makes for him being one of those exceptions..I mean its a case by case situation, I don't make him play out the final year just because thats life, I think the player has gone above and beyond his contract value, on and off the field.
And I expect that is exactly what will happen, however, Southbeach is saying that he should have two years voided. I agree that there are exceptions where you void he last year, but voiding the last two years after the first and only year he showed the ability to be an every down LB would be folly.
IF Wake only showed improvement or, being a good player, I would agree. Being a top 100 player in the entire NFL, going t the Pro Bowl, and being arguably the best player on the team is somewhat of a different story. JMO
your right, 4 year deal, I believe he's gettin over a mill this year with some incentives that I believe were added in this contract..not sure what those incentives were.. IDK Raf..How bout we comprimise mid season and extend this man to a proper deal.?..I want to secure his future as a dolphin, don't wanna play this one routinely, I think he's an elite player.. BTW, that rumor that stated this staff is worried about his plateau and his ability to set the edge?..not buyin it...He set the edge, sometimes with one arm, he played the run, he tracked ballcarriers to the edge, and he did it beautifully with rare athleticism..rarely ever see this guy out of position..
Which is exactly why you don't pay him now. You wait and see if he puts up the same type of numbers when he's facing double-teams, TEs staying in, backs chipping him, teams running right at him, and to this point, I don't think he's produced a sack against a left tackle, etc. He's fully known now, and teams will do what they have to to counter him. If he produces similar numbers, then by all means give him a truckload of cash in 2012, but not now. Not when you still have to consider that Kendall Langford's going to need re-signed (and he's proved his worth for 3 years now), Jake Long's going to command a monster deal and you'll want to give him an extension prior to him hitting free agency after 2012, and though I don't expect him to have a year worthy of a monster deal, Chad Henne's a free agent after this year and if he does well enough for them to re-sign him, that's going to take some pretty decent money as well. I also think it bears mentioning, that despite Wake's 57 tackles, 14 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and 4 passes defensed, we had a guy in 2008 by the name of Joey Porter who had just as good of a season, if not better, than Cameron Wake with 47 tackles, 17.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, and a pass defensed. Let's not put the cart in front of the horse just yet.
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that the Dolphins have begun "preliminary" talks with Cameron Wake about a contract extension. Wake busted out for 14 sacks, three forced fumbles, and 57 tackles (48 solo) in 2010, and is scheduled to make just $480,000 in 2011. The 29-year-old entered the season planning to ask the Fins for a new contract if he hit double-digit sacks, and he proceeded to emerge as one of the most feared pass rushers in football. Wake is currently signed through 2012. This is from NBC sports back in Jan of this year. I also recall him saying that it was not a hold out threatening situation in asking for a better contract.
The Dolphins absolutely should re-sign him to a nice deal. He's well worth it. I don't see his production decreasing any time soon. It wouldn't hurt to find another pass rusher to help him out either.
I never bought that they were worried either. My thought it was right out of the old Parcells' motivation playbook where you poke a player who is getting accolades (especially one who used disrespect as motivation) to make sure he keeps his edge. As for the contract I think the right thing to do is open talks with the goal to get something done before the end of the season, but the prudent thing would be to drag their feet a bit.
Not sure where you're getting that from. As you quoted from that link, there were "preliminary" talks back in January. That could mean anything.
No team is going to start negotiating with any player for a deal a year away. Absolutely certain that the Phins want to redo Wake's deal this year.
I don't know of any player, or team, who wants to be in contract talks during the season. Apparently, both sides made a move to negotiate something before the season starts. To me, this makes sense.
That's always when the agent approaches the team and negotiations usually continue throughout the season. You hear of it when a very involved player stops it once the season starts but that's the exception not the rule.
Wake wants a new contract this year. Miami want to keep Wake. If there is an impasse in talks, it will create animosity. There is no way around that, and it could well happen. If it does, I do not believe that Wake will want a new deal next year from Miami, and will test the market with a very bad taste in his mouth. No one wants this to happen. I would bet that Ireland that Ireland offers a new contract, starting this year.
There will be offers this year from both sides. Whether it gets done quickly or whether there's any bad taste will be based on the negotiations. Remember Wake got offered more by the Dolphins than anybody else when they signed him. Many people thought the Dolphins over paid for a player from the CFL who had washed out of the NFL before and had a non-descript college career. I expect and hope that Wake understands and appreciates that. I don't think that this will necessarily turn acrimonious if it takes a year to get it done and I don't think he would refuse to sign a contract that met his expectations next season b/c of that. I may find that Drew to be a bit oily when I've spoken to him in the past and I don't care for some of his tactics, but rarely holds players out and his dealings with the teams don't generally become contentious.
Aren't you changing positions a bit on doing anything now? Rosenhaus is a PITA, and if you ask him in person, will admit it as true. That is nothing against him, just a matter of fact.
I think it's about people management. You need to be having the conversation with Wake and his representative, but you shouldn't be in a hurry to finalize something since he's only shown it for one year. Now if the team has a number in mind and that is met then you probably want to jump on it b/c just like Wake can do get injured or plateau he could also become even better. In general I think there is a tendency to over value players when they have one good year and all the hype is there and I expect Drew to come in asking for a best pass rusher in the league type contract so i don't expect there to be anything more than talk for a while. But if his demands aren't that high then jump on it. Either way you want to be talking though.
