http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opIMfSLBsb0&feature=related. Its just a few reps, but we can see the man drop, set up, deliver the football, escape the rush, throw on the run, show velocity, threw a deep corner fade route with a pump fake that was sweet, drop strait back, survey, and fire a deep crossing route in the end zone for 6..Very interesting ties going on here..Daboll will run this formation as he did in cleveland, and Thomas will be executing it....This is a very talented football player we got here if we think about his skillset. As I'am reviewing some of Daboll games I'am seeing that he doesn't use it inappropriately, no bizarre down and distances. I believed we should keep evolving this formation, so with this player and his skillset, it's quite a nice one to execute it with.. Maybe that was some of thought process, to find that bigger back that can take the pounding that the wildcat specialist takes, which has proven itself necessary when running this power formation, but who also could pass the ball with some real fundamentals and mechanics..Being recruited as a QB is a big deal, and I hope Daboll uses all of this unique player. If this players skillset transitions well, {lets just say it does for the purpose of this thread} including the wildcat stuff, which includes some passing ability and called plays that require passing, what sort of damage can that kind of player accomplish schematically?..I would think that the throws could be fairly safe and precise, 1st read stuff? We know this kid can run the ball, we know he can catch the ball, imagine if he can throw?
I think Thomas is fine for a Wildcat trigger man. I think he'll be a solid RB, depending on who is brought in with him. If it's DeAngelo Williams, Ahmad Bradshaw, or Michael Bush, any duo of those three and Daniel Thomas will be fine. That being said, I'd be just fine with the Wildcat as a power running formation, and I'd be even more fine with it if we got rid of it all together. I think it was CK who said something similar to this in another thread a few days back, but I just hope we didn't miss out on one prospect because we focused on guys who were versatile for the Wildcat. I for one think Charles Clay over Virgil Green could be a case of that. Thomas over someone like Kendall Hunter could also be a case of that, and I hope it doesn't come back to bite the Dolphins. Not to be overly negative, but if Pat White, who played 4 years of QB couldn't handle the role, I've got my doubts as to Daniel Thomas revolutionizing the position. I think if you use it in the right situtations as a power running formation, or even in a passing mode like when Chad Pennington would take a pitch from Ricky Williams and throw deep to Patrick Cobbs, it's okay. Maybe every once in a blue moon you can have Daniel Thomas throw it like how Ronnie Brown did a few times, but trying to forcefully add a passing package with someone like Daniel Thomas just makes me cringe.
Clay is also a versatile player and can be a part of some interesting packages. I'm definitely psyched to see how they use these guys. I hope they get the best out of them. We'll see.
Subtle timely use of the pass is all that I'am saying, I see no reason to do away with the formation when more and more offensive schemes are incorporating the principles, I say we stay on the edge.. CK often talks about if he could build the prototype player for the position, and Thomas fits that script from a physical standpoint that he describes, he can pound the football thru the tackles, he can catch out of the backfield, if he can complete a pass to an open receiver with some precision, we might have somethin.
I just want to see us get the fundamentals down before we start branching off into fancy ish. Lets work on our play action game, draws, screens, zone running plays, traps, counters, reverses, naked boots, etc. We struggled to do any of these things last year, and yet we always made practice time for the WC? IMO handle the basics first and then go from there. Doing it the other way around is a sign of weakness, not strength.
Well, what I'd want to see then Deej, is thomas spending some time working with the Qb coach the same way I thought White should have worked with the running backs coach. To not do so is amateurish imho, it just seems dumb to put a player into a position without knowing the rudiments of what a NFL player who plays the position full time would look for when trying to do that job. And with Clay, I'd have him spend some time with the kicking coach as on 3rd and forever, say 3rd and 20 bring him in the WC and have him quick kick the ball that is the sort of thing they used to do with Randall Cunningham.
There plays in a playbook..nothing more nothing less, I don't see why wildcat plays take away fundamentals from other plays..execution, play responsibility, its all movement and part of learning an offense..If you want to use the theory that every wildcat play takes away a practice rep from the proset, then I can't much argue that, but I remove that worry by knowing that if executed correctly, by the right player, the wildcat play can become very effective, consistent run plays, {and hopefully much more} which cause the opponent to prepare for, thus taking time out of their defensive proset reps..
I'm more interested in seeing him run against quality NFL players. Wildcat? Sure but since that is usually 3-5 plays a game the first thing I'd be thinking is who else is going to be our Rb's...
Precisely. Thomas has only been a full blown RB for two seasons; let's let him learn that. And I'd feel comfortable with him learning from DeAngelo Williams, Ahmad Bradshaw, or Michael Bush.
He has run the wildcat, I don't think its a stretch to see him get reps on the next level..I'am sure it's a comfortable zone.. Just found this article..It's very good.. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...s-thomas-0710-20110709,0,7528381.story?page=1
Nice clip DJ thanks for the look at D-Train. I agree with Pads if they are going to use him in a wildcat package he should spend some time with the QBs and QBs coach if he could execute a good pass play or two that could be very effective. Regularly completing passes the door would be wide open.
just let him play football, the kid can obviously run, throw, and catch, why inhibit him, use that versatility.
I'd rather push the football down the field.. Daniel can run the football and catch the ball but taking Henne off the football field would be a mistake. We have a possible top 5 WR. I could care less about WC at this point. Novelty that lost it's charm. I bet our new OC saw that Henne might be better in hurry up. Run it and utilize Marshall. Get on top fast and play good D....
Well, it is fairly simple, the WC will be judged by whether it works, or not, everything else does not matter when it comes to it. Let Dtrain throw a 40 yd TD and it will be cheered, let the offense drive down the field and then start running WC plays that don't work and it will be boo'd.
A lot of folks have been feeling and describing this formation like yourself for 3 years, and I have been debating those folks endlessly, meanwhile it continues to become more relevant in the NFL..Daniel Thomas is on our football team, Daboll is coaching..I like the chances of it continuing to evolve. I would bet that with the last 3 years of totals and averages you would find that when we ran the ball out of the formation, the ypc is higher than any other proset running formation.
I don't mind the wildcat at all. What I do mind is seeing the team driving down the field at will then as soon as they get to the opponents 35 yard line it was 2 straight wildcat plays that fooled noone. That happened on far too many occassions. Mixing it up is how it should be. Like maybe using it at the begining of a drive then later use it inside the redzone but don't contantly kill drives by stopping the inovative ways to use it and become predictable
All that BS is on Henning...There were times last year where he should of had his coordinator license taken away, inappropriate and illogical for a professional. Just use it like a run play, in obvious running down and distances..1st and 10....2 and 6 or less...3rd and 3 or less..
