La Canfora: Dolphins interested in DE Ray Edwards

That makes no sense unless we shifting to 4-3. I dont think Edwards cant play end in a 3-4 set and be nearly as effective and hes almost certainly not a linebacker (unless anyone can give me a reason why he could become one?)

 

I wonder about the possibility of signing Edwards and having him and Wake man the outside spots while having Misi and Dansby in the middle. That would be a hell of a linebacking core in my opinion.

Edwards -- Misi -- Dansby -- Wake

I like it.

 

I always thought of him as a 4-3 guy. I don't think he has ever been a 3-4 guy and he seems a bit out of place as an OLB candidate. Lord knows we don't need a 3-4 DE.

Has anyone heard anything about a switch to a 4-3? We certainly have enough DL personnel to pull it off successfully and create some interesting packages.

 

Well...he's 2 inches taller than Cam Wake (Edwards is 6'5", and 18 pounds heavier (268). The last time I really watched the guy play was against the Cowboys and Saints in the 09 playoffs. He was GREAT then. I don't know much about his ability after that save for the fact that he had 8 sacks out of the DE position last year on an underachieving Vikings Defense. This would be our power play to become an elite Defense. Last year he had 9 more tackles and half a sack less than Mario Williams in similar positions (not sure which side of the line both play). Boik, I don't think they'd switch to the 4-3 though. Mario Williams is an inch taller and 30 pounds heavier at 298 and there has been talk that the Texans will play him at OLB this year.

Texans are switching to a 3-4 btw.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-to-use-mario-williams-at-outside-linebacker/

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7552612.html

 

Anyone have Vikings film? This guy is harder to find on video than Bigfoot.

 

he is only 26 years old, this year will be already his 6th year in the league, dont know if he can make a transition to play LB, he is a big dude, i think he will get a big offer from the browns who switch back to 4-3 or the eagles who look for someone to compliment trent cole

 

It could be nothing more than trying to get a capable replacement/complement for Wake. If the staff was truly concerned about Wake waering down etc, then bringing in a guy like Edwards would be a good idea. You could alternate series, or even add in situational substitutions for this move. Last year Wake played a hell of a lot of snaps, and if we could take 10-15 away from him per game directly then this would not be such a bad move.

It would always allow for us to have a good pass rusher on the field at all times. And, when we need to show a 4 man line in obvious passing downs we can have Misi, Edwards and Wake on the field at the same time. That would be one hell of a pass rush and it would likely work well.

Otherwise I wonder how this will work to be honest. I know we need an alternate pass rusher for several reasons, but I don't know if trying to sign a guy who is very similar to Wake is the best idea. Some added versatility may be the way to go........as well as someone who isn't a bonafide starter in his own right.

 

OR

Could be just a rumor, nothing more, expect to see lots of them moving forward as neither Edwards nor Bush make very much sense for us.

Add in, Edwards has been linked to other teams who would let him play DE in the 4-3 and he makes even less sense signing in Miami.

 

Greg Ellis, Matt Roth both switched from DE to OLB well into their careers, but even then players who are really established don't like to risk making the move unless their career has bottomed.

 

Me thinks this smells of deception on the part of some teams...you know the annual "FA we-really-want-this-guy, while secretly-looking-at-some-other-guy" syndrome ??

or

It could be agent-speak as well....drumming up interest in a guy to bump the price up somewhere ??

 

Interesting thought, but for who? Palmer?

 

Paul Kruger as well.

As tempting as that is, and i've thought about it myself, Edwards still makes little sense as that would require 2 postion switches and Misi just is not a passrusher, it would make more sense to add a Manny Lawson in that scenario and leave Misi as the Sam.

Even then Wake is working so cheaply that deal would be tough to swallow, trade 14 sacks and a 500k salary for a Qb and Lawson and 7 million dollars in salary?

The trade chip, imo, is Randy Starks.

 

I think people dramatically overrated how difficult the transition is. Pretty much every edge rusher in the league should be able to do it. There are a whole lot more players who have successfully made the transition, and it's improved their career than have had difficulties with it. The only totally "new" aspect a career 4-3 DE is going to have is coverage, and it's not that much, and not that hard. They're not typically in man coverage 20 yards down the field on a tight end. They're typically jamming a guy, dropping into short zones or the flat or in man coverage with #2 tight ends or fullbacks.

I think if you're looking for a Matt Roth style linebacker, you don't even have to be looking at edge rushers. I think if you wanted to, you could have Haloti Ngata be a Matt Roth style linebacker.

 

I like Edwards a lot. Although he is inconsistent. I think he has the athletic ability to play SOLB. I would be for this signing for sure.

 

Not to get off the Ray Edwards path, but the Cincinnati Enquirer had a story today that Palmer's out golfing in Vegas or Lake Tahoe, can't remember which (see he's already headed west...) with Matt Cassell, Matt Schaub, and agent David Dunn (who represents all three) today. Word from Joe Reedy, the Bengals beat-writer who is usually pretty solid, was that Palmer was still mum on his status, but there was a quote from Cassell in the article saying that Palmer's future would be discussed. Just an FYI, don't think it's anything more than Reedy putting a story out there today based on the lockout news from yestreday and last night.

 

IMO this makes much more sense than setting the market for Reggie Bush. I think we have known all along that another pass rusher would be brought in. And with this regime you would expect that guy to be under 28 or 29 years old and heavy for a LB. Edwards fits that and has shown good production. I still think we're paying the price for taking Pat White instead of the obvious LB in that spot in 2009. I think that was part of the reason we traded down in 2010 and passed on Earl Thomas. I think ET will be a superstar so unless Odrick also becomes a superstar we lost out on that deal (I don't think Misi will ever be more than good/solid player).

 

Orton sold his home in Denver as well.

 

Trade cam wake for matt shaub

 

Orton is also on the mkt for a mid level cost in draft picks, maybe a #3 or #2, you can keep Wake, add Orton, and still have room to sign players.

Edwards has been connected to the Falcons for months now.

 

One thing that Dansby is known for and does well is blitz/pass rush from his position at ILB. With the addition of Aj Edds this season being as good as he is at coverage, hopefully we can play to Dansbys rushing strengths a little more.

 

Dansby is being paid so much we almost have to find ways to squeeze more production out of him in 2011, too much money sitting in him to not see more impact plays.

 

When did La Confora become the purveyor of all things Dolphins?

 

Trading Wake for Palmer is a terrible idea. Wake is at the beginning of his career, Palmer is at the very end. I still really like the idea of Palmer as our starter, but not at that price. Palmer has to be looked at as a stopgap at best. So in two years, we could have neither Palmer or Wake.

 

For fun, we should keep track of who said "so and so to the Dolphins"

So far:

LaCanfora: Edwards
Scheftie/Mort: Vince Young (x2) McNabb (scheftie)

 

Wake is low mileage, Palmer has had two major injuries and little desire to play in 2011, JT won his DPOY at 32.

 

Same deal with him as with Williams, who at 34 still has skills at arguably a much more punishing position.

And as was pointed out JT won his DPOY well after 30, so did James Harrison.

 

Mort said we discussed Young and decided he's not coming here.

 

I suspect Hasselback stays in Seattle.

We'll see, I suspect Palmer doesn't move and Brown catches little heat for the football stupidity in not moving him, TBH I think Palmer should have the tommy john surgery if he is not going to play.

Greg Cosell did a study on Young and pretty much came to the same conclusion "we" did watching his 2010 season, has improved, needs a running game to play off of, if this deal is done soon he likely will be cut 8/8.

Disagree, players want as much money as they can manage to get, they also want to win, most of the guys on the roster recall Young beating us in 09, as for Mallet..we shall never agree on that one.

The NFL judged him worthy of a 3rd rd pick and a backup slot in New England, but he was capable of being our Day 1 Starter?

Can you name the last 3rd rd pick Qb who started on opening day of his rookie season?