[Merged] Manning, Brees, Jackson, Mankins demand free agency

Manning will never leave Indy. I'm not even sure he would meet with other teams.

 

Brooklyn Decker will never let me touch her breasts, even if I ask her. It can't hurt to ask, but that doesn't mean I have a shot at it.

 

You have to meet with other teams to increase your value. That's the whole point of wanting the franchise tag rescinded. Even if he wants to stay in Indy he needs to be able to bring them other offers or at least have that threat.

 

That is a good point. Like when Kurt Warner did a little dance with the 49ers a few years ago.

 

Brady and Manning in the same division? Would make for some good media. Henne would be a keeper for 2nd string because I believe Manning would win the starting QB spot.

 

Gonna be a tight race though.

 

His value can't be increased. The point of not being tagged is to get a long-term contract instead of playing on a year to year basis.

 

The point of the tag in the first place was to give the team and player room to work out a long term deal. Now it's used just as often to hold a guy hostage.

And yes, Manning's value could be increased on the open market. Right now he's tagged at a guaranteed $23 million. He can only negotiate a long term extension with the Colts. Let's say they offer an additional 5 years $60 million guaranteed. You don't think some other team, like say the Dolphins or the Redskins, might be able to beat that?

And if you can show another team can beat your offer, then you increase your value. In Manning's case it may not matter since Irsay has said that he will make him the highest paid player ever, but if there were no value in being free Manning wouldn't be asking for it.

 

If there is no franchise tag, then the Colts are giving Manning every cent they have left under the cap. Peyton Manning doesn't need to negotiate with the Redskins or Dolphins for the Colts to know any team will unload every penny to him.

Ultimately, it will be up to Manning how much of the Colts' cap space he doesn't want to take up.

 

It's not about the salary cap. It's about cash. Guaranteed cash.

Can Jim Irsay write a check, that will clear, today, for $60 million? Dan Snyder can. Maybe Ross can. The total value of these deals is BS. You could call it $250 million and have most of it non-guaranteed.

 

LOLPunter

 

gish.

 

Vincent Jackson and Logan Mankins are demanding unrestricted free agency or $10 million to sign off on the settlement.

That's solidarity right there. Rather than hold out for change for all players, they'll settle for just themselves.

Apparently this same thing happened in '93. And it worked.

 

If I had the opportunity to make another 10mil on top, I'd do the same thing. Greed kicks ***.

 

Guaranteed money isn't all paid up front. But any NFL owner can cut a check for $60M at the drop of a hat.

 

Mankins and Jackson asking for $10 million is ridiculous, but I don't think being exempt from the franchise tag is so out of bounds.

Regardless of what you think of the players, there was an element of risk in putting your name on a lawsuit in which you are suing your employer. Brady, et al, put their names out there for the good of everyone else. Same thing with Reggie White back in the day. They would've taken the PR hit had games been lost, etc.

Personally, I think the franchise tag in and of itself is ludicrous, but that's another story.

 

So he can force the Colts to hand over a blank check.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Cash flow is different from net worth.

And guaranteed money can be paid in a lump sum through a signing bonus. Most aren't because of the cash outlay that is necessary.

The amount of the bonus is just amortized over the life of the deal for cap purposes.

 

do it jeff !!!

 

Was he "liquored up"?

 

Ross sign both these men or you're a failure!!!!!

 

Yes, and its easy for an entertainment enterprise worth $1B to get a line of credit for $60M, especially for an investment as sound as Peyton Manning.

But again, its not going to come to that. Peyton Manning will name his price, but he won't make it high enough that the team can't compete.

 

Someone has to model the new gear.

 

We'll see. It may be moot since there is no guarantee that Manning will get his wish.

But it's more fun to discuss Peyton Manning as the Dolphins QB then it is Chad Henne

 

Cue the fans of Indy burning Manning jerseys LBJ style

 

While I agree that it's douchey for players to try and cut their own deals when they're supposed to be representing everyone in class action, I have to say that at least I can understand where those two are coming from more so than Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. Jackson and Mankins both had the system used against them last year to ensure they got paid close to nothing. They didn't have franchise tags placed on them because suddenly with the uncapped year they couldn't be free agents. They got something like $600k and $800k. There's definitely some logic to them saying the owners used the system against us so we're going to use the system against them, and recover what we lost.

Manning and Brees are rich though. They're just being greedy idiots and I expect they're going to drop their demands soon, leaving Mankins and Jackson to stand alone.

 

Hmm, perhaps Peyton would like to "take his talents" to Miami Gardens.

 

Brees is a lot more surprising than Manning. IIRC, Peyton has been the guy that wouldn't re-negotiate his contract to help the Colts get more cap room, ala Tom Brady. It doesn't really surprise me he would try this.

Either way, I think this was foolish on everyone's part. They share a locker room with plenty of guys that will not appreciate this. Jackson and Mankins won't get as much ****, because as you pointed out, they really haven't gotten their fair share yet.

 

Yep. Keith and Reggie White were the first two "free agents"

 

Just my opinion , I would prefer Miami sign an elite level player than try to make a similar impact with more players with a lesser impact level.

As stated Rice is only 25 and would significantly upgrade Miami's talent for many years. This year we have a rare chance to add such talent , long term an elite signing would be the best option . WR may not be the positon of most need , agreed , but if it is a choice between someone such as Rice or to settle for a player with less ability and long term upside , I select Rice.

This is a passing league , rather get elite at one position than try to improve with an extra , or two , mid level signings.

 

I wonder if the media aren't making a bigger deal of this than the owners will. It might have even been anticipated by the owners, given that it happened in 1993 (successfully).

I mean, really...you're the owners and you've finally come to an agreement on a CBA, everyone is breaking down their tents and getting ready to start training camp, are you really going to let four little franchise tags get in the way of football? Hell and no.

On the other hand, Kessler's demand of $320 million in lost benefits is a rather sizable monkey wrench thrown into the gear works. He'd better drop that if he knows what's good for him.

 

Bess would get his touches , Gates is a rookie that will add his speed and if he delivers will get more playing time , in time and hartline is a depth player on a really good team.

I want Miami to be a really good team , not midling as they been for far far too long.

This FA year is a rare opportunity to dramatically improve your team , if Miami adds one elite player and one above average starter they will have made inroads to long term success ,imo.

If they do this , then only one major piece will still be needed to address and if the trend is postive then Ireland gets one more year to get QB right.