Peter King on McNabb: "I think he ends up in Miami"

For what it's worth there's been a guy on FH that claims to be friends with Jeff Ireland and he's been saying forever that the Dolphins are going after Carson Palmer. I'll give him this, he did correctly predict the Mike Pouncey pick at a time when people were only just starting to switch from Mark Ingram to Mike Pouncey in the mock drafts. The guy says that we're offering a high draft pick and dangling a defensive player, but Mike Brown still being uncooperative. He's saying plan B would be to go with some veteran like a Bulger and then trade for Palmer right before the trade deadline, when Brown's price tag will have fallen.

Also, someone else over there says they heard John Clayton say on Sportscenter that if the Bengals trade Carson Palmer, Miami will be the target...something to that effect. That's the first time I've heard a media head strongly connect Miami with Palmer. Mostly Palmer's been connected with the Seahawks up to now.

 

I would rather keep the course for one year. If we fail, we wouldn't even have to trade high picks for one of the top College QB's. If we are a middle of the pack team, I'd rather have those picks for trading. If we're damn good, there's no problem. I think this next crop of QB's have the chance to be special. Some of those guys are great prospects and I don't want to miss one of them for 14 years just to get Palmer for 3-5. He's 31 and if we can't put a star team together around him, we're not winning a Championship.

 

Mike Shanahan is a good coach, and I like his offensive system, but I think his offensive coaching staff did a bad job last year. Some of the blame falls on personnel acquisition, but still. It's kind of ridiculous how much traditional "Shanahan" stuff fell by the wayside.

The running game thing to me is just shocking. Playing off of it is such a fundamental part of his passing game, and he ends up running less than Mike freaking Martz?

 

Is this the "Pat Devlin is the next Tom Brady" guy?

I don't doubt that we're interested in Palmer but I do doubt that Ireland spills such stuff to his friends. but I guess you never know.

 

In his defense I can totally see Jeff Ireland being high on Pat Devlin at that time, as most everyone in the Draft world were high on Pat Devlin at that time. He fell far during All Star practices and in other workouts and whatnot. Attitude was an issue.

 

To be honest, I've been getting the impression that Ireland isn't afraid of sharing things, mainly because most people think he's trying to be deceptive all the time.

 

If there is a plan for trading for Palmer before the deadline it seems to me this season is being flushed before TC even starts.

I guess you could always back off if Henne plays well or whatever veteran you bring in is passable, but it seems to me, you either get Palmer now or you play out the season. Don't see any way Palmer could play at all in the middle of the season while having done no football activities for nearly a year

 

If we trade for Palmer, I will tear my teeth out.

 

If we start off 0-4, with the division we are in, I think its a joke to trade a pick for a 31 yr old QB. I would rather continuing sucking for luck

 

i would have absolutely no problem with McNabb, he can still play, i´m pretty sure of that, he even showed it last year not just every sunday, can he make a transition from beeing a WCQB his whole life would be the only question, i want henne to play though, i still believe in him

 

I have a hard time seeing this team go into TC without legitimate competition for Henne. You're running the risk of the team collapsing, and there are too many viable options out there.

 

IMO, no way would I would I make that move. What's the point? Do you think he will come in and lead us to the SuperBowl?
I think even a playoff birth at that point would be a long shot. He would still have to pick up the offense, which he probably can, but it's just one more little hurdle which we don't need. He did play horribly last season, but there can be excuses....though I personally don't think they can explain it all away. He's also going to have to acclimate with his teammates and new surroundings, etc. Getting that familiarity with your receivers is important for timing on routes, etc, and just familiarity with them in general. Also, when you are saying that you're willing to retire, whether it's a tactic or ploy, it is very bad. For whatever reason, you've already stuck it in your head which already plants that seed that you are able to so, thus I don't think you will have a passionate, dedicated player. You would have some stop-gap with one foot out the door. Too many hurdles and red flags. That would just wreak of the pathetic, desperate moves this team has made in the past. Not the same, but just as desperate and pathetic. At the point which you mentioned, it would just be best to just play the season out, take your lumps, hope for the best, keep your picks and try to draft your franchise guy. No guarantees there, but at least there is hope and heck!..at least have a real chance! JMO.

 

In that scenario if I were Stephen Ross I would tell Jeff Ireland that he's not allowed to conduct any trades.

 

To me it's not a suck for Luck thing. To me it's simple, if the team starts off 0-4 like that and Henne blows, then I as the owner would not let them conduct trades because those players on the roster and those draft picks for 2012 don't belong to them anymore. They belong to whoever is running the team after they are fired. I wouldn't let them start pissing away Bill Cowher's resources in some last ditch and guaranteed-ineffective effort to save their own skins.

 

How do you think Brandon Marshall, who supposedly has been training harder than ever, will feel that his livelihood is being determined by someone who was given their starting job, and is essentially on a tryout? The GM and the coaches have a responsibility to put the best team they possibly can out there.

 

We may need all the picks we can get. You don't trade picks when the possibility of a substantial return are extremely slim...for the reasons I just previously listed. ...and how much more time would anyone really need at that point to evaluate Henne??? The evaluation period would or should most definitely be officially OVER at that point.

 

I don't think there is a significant chance for there to be a lot of moves that are not great for the future. Jeff Ireland is safer than Tony Sparano, and if Sparano is fired next offseason will probably survive him.

 

Just like the guy in the hangover? Please YouTube it if you do lol!

 

He has a 10 million dollar option bonus due at the start of the regular season, which they most likely will not pay. It gives a Redskins a bit more leverage than if it were due right after the official start of the league year, but unless someone is desperate he's not expected to fetch much more than a mid-round (4th to 6th) round pick.

 

This. Throw out Abe Froman for the rest of the season and start your wooing of Cowher.

 

I have a hard time seeing Cowher coming here, regardless of what happens.

 

Don't see why coaches wouldn't want to be thrilled to be here. Talent and age wise the team will be leaps and bounds better than your average opening, and schematically we're not really stuck in any hole where the talent on the roster doesn't lend itself to any other system.

 

He's going to do it the way they did it in Jackass.

 

I think it would be because they want to build their own team

 

Connecting dots here, but I think you floated the idea in the Ray Edwards thread about Miami signing him to play SOLB, moving Misi to WOLB and trading wake for a QB. Do you foresee that as something feasible? If Brown were to change his stance, I could see something like that or maybe Randy Starks and a pick becoming appealing to the Bengals given that their only real pass-rush threat was Carlos Dunlap last year and their interior isn't what it was two years ago.

 

Sure, if you're a coach that doesn't mind a team thats already built. The problem is, if someone takes over with the talent we have, they'll labeled as the guy that won with a team Parcells built. Whether rightfully or wrongfully, its the stigma they will have. Now there would be plenty of coaches that would take the opportunity, but I don't think it will be someone like Cowher.

 

I didnt read through every thread here, so pardon if it has been mentioned already.

I think if we are looking at McNabb, it clearly has to be as a bridge for a year (maybe two). We would have to hope that he pulls a Brett Favre - winding down his career, gets traded and flames out, then makes a strong repeat performance. Hopefully if we get McNabb that happens, and we don't hang around and wait for him to have Favre's second year as a Viking spiral as well.

I really don't know what to do at QB anymore. I am fully unconvinced that Henne has anything but backup potential at best, but really there isn't much out there to excite me. If we want to win and maybe set up for the future I think the only option is Vince Young assuming we are confident he has solidified his off field life. Guy is a playmaker at QB, but he represents an awful amount of risk by investing anything in him at this point.

 

I can't personally think of a lot of situations where that has happened, and I'm not sure if Sparano is fired this is in any danger of being a situation where a new coach would be afraid of standing on the shoulders of giants or whatever metaphor you please. The perception of the talent on the team will probably be way worse than it actually is in reality, too.

 

Really? No danger? Remember, Miami had a pretty young team the last few years and with each new coaching staff, we have had high turnover.

hell even with this current coaching staff, after an 11-5 season there has been over a 50% roster turnover.

It is decently common for a new coaching staff to bring in players they are comfortable with.

 

Randy Starks wouldn't interest them. They drafted Geno Atkins and he's been jaw-dropping for them so far. Same type of player. Cameron Wake would no doubt interest them. And yeah, I could see Ray Edwards being here to play SOLB while Koa Misi moves over to WOLB. But I'm not sure I could see Miami offering Cam Wake for Carson Palmer.

The guy at FH, again grain of salt, says a high pick and a defensive player. My gut tells me that if he's right then that player would be a safety. If you look, we're loaded there. They like Reshad Jones and Jon Amaya, just drafted that guy that was put in jail for murder and claim he's playing safety, Tyrone Culver, Sean Smith plays a spot in nickel/dime defense that is normally reserved for safeties, and then you have Chris Clemons and Yeremiah Bell. If Yeremiah Bell were to go to the Bengals he would immediately be their best safety. They've tried to get away with Nedu Ndukwe, Chris Crocker, Reggie Nelson and Roy Williams. That's stinky.

 

I think they are loading up to give one, last, final straw chance to Henne this season, and won't bring anybody in except for Palmer if they will decide to let me go, and thats best possible scenario for us. Either ride this season out with Henne, or have Palmer. I know it's a bit contradicting...but personally, I would be fine with either one. Of Henne blows chunks, the book will be closed on him for good (and chances are, on Tony). At the same time, I am a very big Palmer believer/supporter. He has been hurt and played on ****ty, ****ty teams. I believe (for what that's worth lol) that he can still be not just an okay player, but a good starter in this league.

 

I wonder why you believe that.

Hey guys...I think Mari0k IS Carson Palmer

 

Dammit, why you had to let the cat out the bag.

 

His mom seemed pretty cool though with the Campbell's Chunk Soup commercials.

 

Exactly! One must be realistic and how long has it been, if ever, since a 0-4 team went on to make the playoffs?

 

If Sparano ends up getting canned after this season, at this point, trying to be realistic, I'd guess the most likely scenario is Ireland stays and Mike Nolan gets promoted to head coach. Not saying it would be my favorite idea, just if I'm hazarding a guess at this stage of the season.

 

Did you finally start to watch movies?

 

So this gurantees it wont happen?

 

To me a guy like McNabb, maybe Bulger makes a lot of sense. We didn't draft anyone to develop so it makes sense to get a vet with starting experience to challenge Henne. If Henne can't beat out McNabb or Bulger or a similar vet at this stage in their careers then he should sit on the bench and we should draft someone early next year. The coaching staff would be ill advised to go into this season without a decent vet Qb on the roster, Henne just hasn't shown that he can win consistently in the NFL. McNabb obviously had issues with the Skins coaching staff and management, I think he isn't what he was but I think a team with our defense, WR group, an improved Oline/running game could win with McNabb playing close to what he played in Philly a few years ago.

I do think that King is just throwing things at the wall and hoping they will stick with this kind of comment. I don't think he's actually heard anything solid, who knows.

 

Can you believe that wasn't actually his mom though? They hired an actress for that role in the commercials, lol.