PFF On Phins vs Bucs

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  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    So this all comes down to someone knowing which routes were decoys and which one's weren't? How do you know what was a decoy and what wasnt? If a receiver is throwing his arm up to call for the ball, is that a decoy? How do we reconcile Marshall's comments that Thigpen was more willing to throw the ball up to him?

    Also, it seems to me that most of the deep balls thrown have been on the QBs first read, against man coverage, and just as many haven't come out of spread formations.
     
  2. rafael

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    Not just that, I'm trying to keep it simple. You look at the QB's drop and initial reads. That usually let's you know if the QB is expected to read deep to short or short to deep. Under Henning, it was clear that very few of the deep patterns that were characterized as missed opportunities were not part of the QB's progression. The QB was expected to get the ball out immediately.
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    I don't think the QB was expected to do that. I think he wasn't fast enough at making the decisions, and didn't trust his reads or accuracy enough. His issues were against zone coverage where those are going to be the biggest problems for a QB. Agree to disagree I suppose.
     
  4. rafael

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    And that's on the OC too b/c he can make the decisions easier for the QB by use of routes, route combinations and constraint plays. But most fans can't see that so they just say it's the QB's fault. Agree to disagree.
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I honestly think that the OC did, and people are blaming Henning for trying to help Henne while the game is still slowing down for him.

    Casual fans also blame the OC.
     
  6. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Casual fans may blame anybody they want, but most often blame the QB.

    Henning was clearly in a power struggle with Henne. Everybody heard about Henne blowing up and telling telling Henning to stop setting the team up to fail. And people who aren't just casual fans can see that the offense lacked constraint plays (just one example) that would have actually helped the QB and made the reads easier.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    When did Henne blow up? I haven't seen him show emotion let alone blow up.

    I saw plenty of constraint plays that made reads easier.

    In fact, the offense looked set up to make sure Henne doesn't mess it up.
     
  8. Stringer Bell

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    And we also heard Henne's teammates criticize him, not the OC, after the season.

    I'm also not sure how constraint theory could apply when the bread and butter plays aren't working either.
     
  9. rafael

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    A constraint play is one that allows you to take advantage of a defense that is geared to stop your bread and butter plays. It has nothing to do with being an offense that's designed for a QB not to mess up. It's an adaption that capitalizes on what the defense is doing.

    And to Stringers question, constraint and bread and butter plays work to complement each other. If bread and butter is not working then you have to use constraint plays or you're just banging your head against the wall and setting your team up to fail.

    The blow up was widely reported. Also if you haven't seen him show emotion then that's just further proof that you weren't paying attention.
     
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  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I guess google wasn't paying attention either because "Henne blows up, Henne upset, Henne mad Henning, Henne yells Henning" do not show any results.
     
  11. MrClean

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    No it wasn't, other than Morgan Trent. But he actually graded better in coverage last season than Joseph did. Hall started and played and so did Crocker and they were starters when healthy. Reggie Nelson started ahead of Roy Williams, but for pass coverage, that is addition by subtraction. Nelson had the lowest passer rating for passes into his coverage of their four safeties. The two best pass coverage safeties they had started and played and their worst pass coverage safeties were inactive. So your argument that Henne was playing against their junior varsity secondary doesn't hold water.
     

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