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Dolphins Offense Improve on Red-Zone Trips in 1st two Games, but...

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  1. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ... fail to score points as planned...

    I know, what we all say, we need to score more points, than our opponents, but the Phins have really improved in their Offensive movement of the football into the Red-Zone. I know it is just two games...

    case in point...

    In 2010, it took them 6 games to aquire at least 10 drives into the Red-Zone...

    In 2009, it took them 4 games...

    This year they have achieved this in 2 games... They had 6 trips against NE and 4 against Houston...

    As the team has stated on a few occasions during the week, they need to improve their Red-Zone Offense and let their play makers produce results...

    Edited- The only way we can get to be a team anywere the Pats style of O, is if we had to TE's like they do... or if our D finds the ability to slow them some...
     
  2. padre31

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    Not so Nardo, if one recalls NE set records in 07 based on Wr play, their Te's were drones.

    Now I have been thinking maybe Hartline should be replaced by Bush or Gates in RZ situations, as Bline and Henne just do not click, heck even Fasano can do some work down there.
     
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  3. CaribPhin

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    Right now, Hartline is ties with Marshall for Red Zone TD's this year, no?
     
  4. ckparrothead

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    What's confusing about the Dolphins' red zone woes is they SHOULD be better than this at punching it in. Davone Bess is a red zone threat because he can run after the catch. Reggie Bush is a huge red zone threat for the same reason and so when you run him out to the flat, you usually get a lot of defensive movement to make sure he's covered, which usually opens up a curl or slant option at receiver. And if they don't react you throw the ball to Reggie and then he leaps sky high right into the pylon the way he did against us in 2009. Brandon Marshall, it goes without saying that guy is a huge red zone threat. And Brian Hartline is a smart player that adjusts well with the quarterback, and can get open in there. And I'll be damned if Anthony Fasano is any less an end zone target than Scott Chandler who is going all Jason Witten up in Buffalo.

    Then you have the short yardage issue and I don't understand how that can be such a problem based on the pieces they still had in place in training camp. So some changes you've made along the offensive line have made you worse in short yardage. Fine. Come up with a goal line package that features some of the guys that were so good at it the last two years. Kick Mike Pouncey out to Tight End or something, I'm positive he could play it and do a good job. Stick Joe Berger back in there and if you have to use Nate Garner at RG instead of Carey while Carey goes back out to his wing position, so be it. Unbalanced line? They had the tools in the tool shed. Lou Polite was automatic for three years running behind some of these pieces of the puzzle.

    Self-inflicted wounds and underachievement. That's what the red zone woes boil down to, to me.
     
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    I read in the Sun about all the negative plays we've had in the red zone, sack, TO, 2-3 penalties, a couple of neg. runs, and a couple of drops, a couple of missed FG's. We are 8th worst. The blame goes on the players and time.
     
  6. padre31

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    Henne has missed BLine twice on open looks in the EZ, not BLine's fault, but you have to cater to the Qb and give someone else some shots in that situation to see if they click together better.

    Bush, Fasano, Gates, come to mind, especially Bush split out as a Wr.
     
  7. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pads this short 2 game season, the 2 big TE's are the target of 30 points produced for NE...

    That is 41% of NE's points scored this year...and that is what I am saying... and that does not include how many times they keep moving the chains for TB...
     
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    That is them Nardo, my point is, 2 Te's is not the only method of getting it done, Wr's and Rb's work just fine, you merely have to find the proper combination of them.
     
  9. Disnardo

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    Oh I agree with you Pads...

    I also agree with CK, it is somehow frustrating that this Offense, which in 2009, was one of the best in scoring inside the Red Zone, has trouble doing it now with much better talent at the skill positions...

    and as CK stated, this OL might be the problem, not sustaining blocks to allow for the big plays to happen...
     
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    From what I've seen, the blocking is passable, but Henne is not particularly accurate with anyone on the team, imho he really has not developed that sort of on the field rapport with anyone outside of Greg Camarillo, that is maybe why they should change out Bline for someone else.

    It is sort of like a pitcher and catcher relationship, pitcher already knows what he wants to do, the catcher already knows where the ball will be.
     
  11. Disnardo

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    That is fine and dandy Pads, but I was thinking more about the Run Blocking in the Red zone...

    Against the Pats they ran 4 times for 0 yards per carry avg... and against Houston it was 3.6 ypc...

    If they can threaten with the run more, it will help out in the passing game, as well as vice a versa. As you stated, soemhow Henne is not connecting with the guys in the Red Zone as much as we would like...
     
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    It makes no sense it really doesn't. Some of the posters here could be more creative than paid offensive coaches. Spread them out and go with something simple including all facets of that offense. Run Bush on the Jet sweep in a spread look, Thomas in the backfield, with Fasano, Marshall, and Hartline out there. If you like Bess put Bess instead of Hartline or Fasano. There's so many options there for you.

    Anybody know what Carey's rating at RG has been so far?
     
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    3.6 YPC in the red zone isn't that low. It's not good, but it's not that bad. The Pats situation was terrible. As for Henne and the offense, if the base look is 3 WR, you might as well make that #2 WR Gates instead of Hartline. It was a major success in the run game.
     
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    Agree, and I love BLine's game, and think his footwork is perfect for a EZ wr, but when the Qb cannot seem to hit him, you have to give someone else a shot at getting it done.

    Gates/Bush come to mind, so does Fasano.
     
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    It seems that this group creates questions where once there were answers, if that makes sense. It doesn't make any sense that this OL is still as unsettled as it is. Carey was a better tackle than he is a guard and he was a better tackle than Columbo. You mean that there was no one suitable on our roster to play guard or no one in free agency who would have been better than Columbo? I think Polite would have been a better pounder in the middle or lead blocker for DT. Come on! Soliai as a lead blocker or full back? Was that an experiment on the fly because it didn't appear as though Soliai had ever tried it before?
     

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