As far as the RG3 to Vick comparison goes, RG3 is far more accurate as a passer than Vick is right now, even moreso than when Vick came out of VT.
Yeah, when they get a close up of him in the huddle next to his players, it doesn't look like his height is embellished at all, and he looks to be closer to his listed 220 than I initially thought. Call me crazy but I think he could measure in at a shade over 6'2.
Here's the thing with Robert Griffin III. If you draft him, I don't think you draft him with the intent on putting him in a straight up pro style system right off the bat. If you draft him, then you need to be prepared to use him in the running game, spread the field, and have a passing game based largely off half field reads. This is basically what Carolina is doing with Cam Newton. They give him easy reads to make in the passing game, and they use his legs in the running game. The two are different types of players though. IMO, Griffin is more accurate as a passer than Cam was coming out. I think Griffin's mechancis and footwork are better as well. Cam obviously has the size and strength advantage.
His mechanics are better? I can't agree there at all. I think Cams throwing mechanics is far better then Griffins. I am also not a fan of Griffins foot work. Cams isn't great, but he has an absolute cannon that he doesn't need the best of footwork.
Yeah I'm not sure how anyone could say that Cam Newton's throwing mechanics were worse coming out than RG3's. Cam Newton throws a far better ball, has a better motion, much much much much much much much quicker release, doesn't come under the ball the way RG3 does, etc. But I do agree that if you draft RG3 you're going to have to change your offense a little bit. I just don't think he'll be nearly successful, especially in the immediate future, as Cam Newton has been in Carolina.
You're going off school listings. I doubt Robert Griffin's 6'2" listing is accurate. Based on my studies of him, I'm pegging him at just under, or at best just over 6'1".
I concur with those saying that Newton had better mechanics coming out. RGIII struggles with his footwork. It's something that many running QBs struggle with. I think that most runners tend to keep their stance a bit wider than passers. That helps them avoid being knocked over when hit, but isn't as good for a fast release and generating velocity and accuracy on the pass. It has nothing to do with thinking pass first or run first. That's fairly easy to teach. But there's a more subtle difference in how wide your stance is when you run compared to when you pass. Actually it would be more accurate to say the subtle difference is when you are getting ready to run or pass. That nuance is more difficult to address and it is why it has been difficult to find NFL QBs who are both great runners and great passers.
Quality, lengthy chunk of tape on Griffin, and top notch analysis...will get into this tape later when I can, it deserves discussion...really like the point about the athleticism, we know he is a great athlete, but the elusiveness and the ball safety, is not as elite as the perception of his athleticim would dictate.. http://seahawksdraftblog.com/robert-griffin-iii-scouting-report
The more I look at Landry Jones and Ryan Tannehill, the more I think that Miami has a difficult choice in one way, but a not so difficult choice in other ways. Bottom line is, if you're sticking to Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, Brandon Weeden, Landry Jones or Ryan Tannehill, you're getting a good player. The league is about to get a nice injection of youth and talent at the position. Landry Jones makes people nervous the way he handles pressure, but some of the pressure I see him being asked to handle is pretty damn unruly. You got guys blitzing the A gaps right off the snap and walking in untouched...I don't know that many QBs that deal with that consistently, if any. At least Landry tends not to get sacked and successfully throws the ball away when that happens, usually. How Landry Jones carved up that Texas secondary this year is pretty damned impressive. That is NOT an easy secondary to carve up. He did the same last year to the Nebraska secondary and again, NOT an easy secondary to carve up. But the one I don't want is Robert Griffin, III. I haven't looked at the film analysis but I agree with DJ's synopsis that RG3's elusiveness does not match his athleticism, much like Colin Kaepernick a year ago. That was the difference between Kaepernick and Newton. Newton was elusive, Colin was athletic. To me, RG3 is a lot like a shorter version of Kaepernick.
Yea, I don't see the running ability in RG3 like I did Newton. I don't like the comparisons to Newton. Or even Vick.
When you were mentioning Lindley what was it about his footwork and mechanics that you think hurt his accuracy? Also from watching his games I get a strong feeling he's going down the field at a very high rate with shoddy WRs.
Love that kid's accuracy and throwing motion. His footwork is Manningesque. Form is near flawless. Throws well on the move.
Brees did not come from a pro style offense. Purdue ran a spread offense while he was there. He is the exception to the rule though from roughly 1995-2005. Off the top of my head, Brees, Chad Pennington, and Steve McNair were the really successful QB's to come from systems that were, at the time, non traditional systems for pro preparation. I am still partial to players coming out of pro style systems such as the one Stanford or USC or even Miami run but the game has evolved and even pro style systems at the college level incorporate elements of the spread and other non-traditional offenses.
From what I have seen it's part mechanics and part confidence. He's missing so many passes that he's over-correcting, aiming the ball and not going out there and just letting it rip. At least, that's what I saw early in the year and especially for a stretch starting with the Michigan game. He just had a really good game against Boise State though and even though Boise State's defense isn't what it was, they should have more than out-gunned the San Diego State offense yet Lindley produced well against them so I have to look at that tape and see if Lindley relaxed anymore. When I talk about his mechanics, it's not necessarily something you can point to obviously and say, his elbow's too low, or he's coming under the ball, or not transferring his weight, too wide a stance, etc. He just looks very mechanical when he's not relaxing, and he does end up aiming the ball, and that takes away from his accuracy and play making ability. Shoddy WRs is an understatement. Colin Lockett moved from DB to WR this spring. Dylan Denso is a slot, white walk-on and prior to this year he had like 4 catches to his name. They bring this other corner onto the field on offense and he hasn't even really made the move to offense like Lockett has, they just bring him on there to run streaks. Gavin Escobar is pretty decent as a tight end and Lockett is fast but you see miscommunications all over the place. He misses Vincent Brown and DeMarco Sampson, but he also misses Brady Hoke and especially Al Borges. He plays in an offense that is primarily play-action passing. He's going to draw comparisons to Jake Locker but also Nathan Enderle. I think he's got better talent than Enderle and I'd argue he has at least as much passing potential as Locker though not the running skills.
Yeah but many of us knew Quinn was typical ND hype and it was pretty obvious to me at least that all Russell had was arm strength. Ill admit when I liked a player that failed miserably but those two are not among them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEtv2cJS90 Check out the throw at 7:40....extraordinary..How he sees the linebacker filling the seam and adjusts his arm angle and throws to the outside shoulder was all intent..
My god it's hard for me to watch that guy with his mechanics. I can almost hear the gears creaking and the hydraulics releasing as he operates in the backfield. Here's a good Robert Griffin practice video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4aMD4uy-QGc#t=62s
Really? That's extraordinary? Man. To me it's only extraordinary in how awful it looks. He's staring straight up the seam the entire time. You can tell because he's frozen back there half-cocked waiting for the route to develop and looking at it all the way. There's no ambiguity in his body language whatsoever, no setup, nothing. And then the throw...holy krishna what an awful throw. If he was REALLY seeing the field then he would have seen all the vertical room in front of that tight end and known that an up and down ball that allows the Tight End to catch it over the shoulder would be best. This is supposed to be an up-and-down throw, in order to maximize run after catch and minimize the chances of a defender stepping into the lane tipping the ball. Instead he throws an Uncle Rico special that might have gotten over the head of some of the smaller variety of dwarves. This play is a really good example of how Robert Griffin, III does not see the field from the pocket, but rather can only see the field through gaps in the pocket.
Thanks for the response. He's an interesting player and I can't imagine many quarterbacks producing with that kind of cast. Sam Bradford is passing at a rate of 54% right now. Think about that, Sam Bradford one of the most accurate passers to come out arguably ever is at 54%. It's not crazy to think that Lindley can be fixed and come back a much stronger player with good circumstances around him. I like the price, I like the decision-making even right now. I think he can read coverages and often times it's tough to throw out a quarterback so quickly based on what's around him.
Fixable yes, but a longer term project. Needs to get comfortable and get chemistry with the people around him, might be sensitive to disruptions in the form of injuries and whatnot at the next level. Needs to handle pressure better, too.
I'am not sure a guy who locates his receiver as well on the deep ball, or has the ability to lead receivers, can't see the field well, like your words describe..I think he sees it as well as someone could at his inherent height. In the past you've talked about how a QB throws the deep ball, you mention the ability to ''see it'', as in locating the receiver in route{unlike a Jimmy Claussen who throws to a spot}, ..I think he see's the field, just maybe from a different perspective. I think hes a fun prospect to scout.. Your right, he could of thrown that over the top, but we just don't know what he saw there in his head, cause it looked like an adjustment in his mind, not something he does because he can't do something else..I've seen him make that over the top throw down the seam. He's got something in his drop thats been botherin me, its like a hitch when he sets up, he shuffles his feet an extra time before release..It looks like its in rhythm, but sometimes makes him late on throws.. I am comparing him to how I felt about CKap in my mind..Their pretty close..
