This is a must win game for Sparano and Nolan...

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If he loses this one at home, against another talented team with a great QB, another home loss, then I think he swims with the fishes at the end of the year, if he wins it, then he continues to make his case for a return, as long as he follows up with 3 more, and that's all I have been trying to do, get people to wipe the slate clean IF there is a win out scenario..

    As far as Nolan goes, This man needs to show that he can scheme up a win vrs a great QB that can make individual plays, or play against a hurry up offense effectively..He has shown a trend of not being able to stop the great ones when it matters..Kind of like Brady earlier this year, and last..Show me you can get off the damn field when you need to against these guys Nolan..
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    TBH, so far:

    -Nolan
    -Daboll
    -Rizzi
    -Sheridan

    Have done great jobs

    -Sparano
    -Gugs
    -Hilliard
    -Cox
    -Bowles

    Have not exactly covered themselves in coaching glory
     
  3. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I don't think it matters either way.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nolan has not shown that he can stop Bill Belichick, until he does, he gets placed in no category that has Great in it...He also did nothing to motivate his unit during the offseason when he knew damn well they were gettin serious hype...we see how that turned out in an embarrassing 1st quarter performance for that unit.

    Great''...no, no way..
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    sure it does.
     
  6. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    No clean slate why are you giving this man a pass? Even if he runs the table were out of the Playoff Picture and that was the mandate from Ross.

    No Playoffs No Coaching job... Sparano must go.. Mediocrity belongs with the Jets not the Dolphins.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You want to talk as if theu did win out??, ok..I'll say this , I'll be 100 percent behind the team and coach if they pull that off, and for those who will not, I'll get banned so I just keep my mouth shut...

    If they do and your still here criticizing, then we'll go at it then.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well gosh Deej, 90% of league has shown they cannot stop NE.

    I refuse to get to wee wee'd up over the Pats gm, if we win..so what? if we lose, our draft slot improves.

    I'd like to beat them, do not misunderstand, big picture a bit tho.


    Saban won 6 in a row, but it was fool's gold, we win out this yr, and go 6-2 to end the yr, were are we?

    Seriously, were are we, our roster age avg is still 26 something, but is this an upwards trend, or a team feasting on indifferent competition?
     
  9. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Speaking bluntly, the Dolphins would be exactly one game better than they were in 2010. Same as 2009. Even with that same young nucleus of talent on the roster, I'd hardly call a 1-game improvement much of an upward trend. Wasn't Oakland the first team with a winning record outside of the AFC East that Miami's beaten at the time of the game? I still think there's a few glaring holes on this team...and on the coaching staff.

    It's a bit funny to me now as more posters are talking "big picture" relative to draft position, yet that same stance a month ago was widely ridiculed on the board.
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh man I hate having these hypothetical discussions on what if we win out..Bottom line, if we do win out, which is a big longshot, then I think the decision will be automatic that he returns, if you big pic all the wins in this last quarter, if there is something to play for by all the opposition,then I just don't think you can fu%$ with that energy, I don't believe you would get one of the big 3 coaches who'd want to fu%$ with that energy..if he loses one, like 2maro, I think its easy.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    all the players have 1 thing to play for in this meaningless season, and that is to have a better record than the year before, and to change around what was a disgusting beginning..their fault..if they want to stay together, they will fight and scratch and kick its way to 8 and 8 100 percent effort for 60 mins..Its simple, if they accomplish it, it will show me a lot, if they slip, it would mean their best wasn''t good enough, against teams that are by no means great..
     
  12. RoninFin4

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    Let's be clear, it's not JUST their fault. The coaching staff had a large hand in that awful start as well.
     
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  13. Ozzy

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    I think the decision was made at 0-5

    Winning out means nothing because at best they finish 8-8 after two losing seasons. He is a good person but not so much a good HEAD Coach. If they retain him, it will cost Mr. Ross millions.
     
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  14. padre31

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    Well, I'd still like to keep Sparano, just so my CFL guys get some run, but who knows where we are...really?

    IMO the eagles can be dominated, whether we will or not, remains to be seen, if yes, then sure, if not, then Sparano should buy some boxes
     
  15. Ozzy

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    Dang Skippy! The coaches looked as lost as the players.


    Here is one example. Sticking Rashad Jones in at Safety and KEEPING him there for more than one game.
     
  16. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dang Oz, you didn't even take the easy route with Marc Colombo.
     
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  17. padre31

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    There I disagree Ozman, sure Ross can get a bump with a new HC, will we win more games though?

    That is it in a nutshell, Sparano has to go 3-1, and pray the rosary that the last gm vs the Jest has playoff implications, and that we kick their asses.
     
  18. Ohio Fanatic

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    Moot point, since no way to we go to New England in 2 weeksand win
     
  19. MikeHoncho

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    Why the hell would any game beyond last week be a must-win game for this team?
     
  20. MikeHoncho

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    Yes we do. Because knowing our luck, it will mean the difference between a late round and top 5 pick in the draft.
     
  21. Aquafin

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    I hope we lose out 7-9 8-8 doesnt mean anything for me I want us to clean house and get some new blood and then make a big push and win the whole thing. not this stagnet 7-9 8-8 crap that doesnt get us squat we need to get better draft picks and get more draft picks if we want to compete in this division and sofar Marshall hasnt gotten many tds for the price we are paying for him bess and hartline are no threats a t all we need to get serious and bring in butt kickin players on offense but Sparano sucks and still needs to go. i am like some of you where winning 7 or 8 games doent not excite me gettin position to make a big trade and getting a top 10 player does excite me .here is the question what happens if we win out and then Sparano returns and then the next year we lose the same amount of games and look bad doing it ?
     
  22. Rocky Raccoon

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    The big question is how much did the lockout effect the team as a whole? If there is a question on whether or not to keep Sparano, and there could be if we keep winning, not having a true offseason should not be ignored in the debate.

    And I know every team had a lockout, but not every team had a whole new coaching staff and offensive system to learn. Not to mention an out of shape defense the first quarter of the season.
     
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  23. Ozzy

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    How can anyone disagree????

    The attendance is the worst in years! It has been on a steady decline since Pennington led the team to 11 wins. I live here and talk to so many Dolphins fans thru the season. Almost all of them do not want to see Sparano return for next week, much less next season.

    I don't dislike him, or hate him as a HC but I do think he is in over his head. The only thing he SEEMS to do really well, at least according to his players, is he motivates them well. Well, I would argue with them that he must have forgot to do any motivating for the first 7 games.

    Mr. Ross may have tons of money but he is losing a boatload at every home game. He has to do something to win back season ticket holders and a lot of that happens during the quiet portion of the offseason. Keeping Sparano would be a HUGE gamble for Ross' ticket sales.
     
  24. Ozzy

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    If we were talking about a team that did not win a game until the 3rd or 4th game of the season, I MIGHT agree with this.
     
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  25. ATLFINFAN

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    Thanks for carrying the torch Ozzy. Some are setting themselves up so they can complain all next year AFTER the change has been made....a bunch of WHAT IFS. A POSSIBLE.......8 and 1 DOES NOT cancel out an 0 and 7...........EVER. He would have been fired LAST YEAR if Ross could have gotten the coach he REALLY wanted. He will get who he wants .....THIS TIME. Its is PROBABLY already settled.

    Spin it however you want...........but we are sitting home AGAIN, come playoff time. That NEVER sells tickets when those buying have OTHER choices...
    Some are saying 4 -0 will save his job........some are saying 3-1 will...........I AM SAYING...........its already been DECIDED. We all have our own .....SPIN.
     
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  26. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    i agree. i do think the lockout affected our team more than others. it's pretty clear to me that the team, esp. the defense as mentioned, was way out of shape. but this ultimately falls on Tony's shoulders

    maybe Tony was actually playing by the rules and other coaches were finding ways to make sure their guys were in shape. idk. but we were less prepared than most teams and that is on him

    i think Matt Moore is the only thing that can save Tony's job.
     
  27. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    not to mention that the 8-1 hasn't even happened. i think there are arguments to make for retainng Tony, but we aren't there yet. we can easily end 4-12. the games aren't easy. i think we are lucky to finish 6-10
     
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  28. rdhstlr23

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    At this point, every game is a must win for this coaching staff. Even with the hype the coaching staff is getting right now, they'll be hard pressed to keep jobs if Sparano isn't retained. Even with an 8-1 finish, it might not be good enough for Sparano and the clan.

    Some interesting things said I want to address.

    DJ, you're still hung up on this idea that coaches are to blame for not motivating the players during the offseason, in particular here with Nolan and the defense. I seriously don't understand what's hard to comprehend that coaches were unable to communicate with players during the lock out. I mean it's simple. Placing blame there is like me blaming you for my car breaking down yesterday. Absolutely no relevance at all.

    I'm interested to see how we play against the Eagles offense tomorrow too. I think what makes Vick and McCoy great is they break away from the normal play. Even playing and executing defensive plays, sometimes individual efforts win out. The defensive game plan against Dallas was a masterpiece, but Romo just made some incredible plays that most guys can't make. That's not a discredit to Nolan or the defense, but to Romo. I'm sure there will be a few tomorrowmthat Vick and McCoy make. As always, it will come down to scoring some points--TD's over FG's.

    I agree with Padre. The Patriots' offense makes a lot defenses look silly. However, when you play a team twice and they are in your division, you need to see improvement, because the goal is to eventually beat them. And you can't do that giving up, 41, 38, and 38 points.
     
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  29. rdhstlr23

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    Huh? I mean I really don't get it with fans. So now we are to blame Tony for not finding a way to bend the rules or not follow them? From a fan base that loves to refer to the Patriots and Jets as cheats, this is pretty funny.

    Again, I don't understand the difficulty to understand this from fans. The coaches and organization were allowed ZERO contact with players during the lockout. If they were out of shape, then that falls at the hands of the players and the leaders on the team. Not the coaches.
     
  30. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Sparano might be getting a pass here.


    As far as Matt Moore I remember all the moaning and groaning when he was signed....
    I know who you are.

    He has played real well.
     
  31. finfansince72

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    Well you could make the argument that every game is a must win in professional sports and you'd be right, however, even if we win we can't make the playoffs so it really doesn't matter. Moral victories are nice but at this point must win is a bit of a stretch, we aren't playing for anything anymore, the 0-7 start ensured that. Our front office and coaching staff don't deserve to stick around for another shot after starting 0-7, its just inexcusable and having a few decent games after that doesn't change anything to me personally.
     
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  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with OZ for the most part, but they do have this one chance to go 4 and 0 in december and beat all three of their division opponents in the process, IF, that happens, then I think the fanbase should get behind that, it would be a quite a feat, and should inspire us to be excited...

    IF, it does happen, and there are folks that will truly continue to criticize and hate, well, if you can't drop your guard and just enjoy being a fan and support after that kind of 2nd season, then I don't know what kind of funky fan sh^5 that is, but I ain't into it and don't have much respect for it, why, cause your only damaging the image of your team..and maybe one day, because of that kind of strange fandom, you will not have a team to criticize.

    maybe it is best that they lose these games, cause if they win, the majority of the fans will continue to show their *** to their team, like their on some fuc^ing pedastal.
     
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  33. padre31

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    Well, TBH, if you really want to look at attendance dropping look no further then Lil Nicky's tenure here, after 05 the season tix base was 60k, he pulled out and literally it dropped to 50k overnight.

    Do think firing a HC because of attendance is dummy thinking, if he is bad at his job then can him, anything else is B$.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    alright Red, that makes a lot of sense what you say, that there couldn't of been contact amongst the players and coaches..I find it hard to believe that at least the coordinators couldn't get some good messages across to their units, I know I would of done everything humanly possible..Do you think that coaches were not allowed to talk to players or email players or text players? was that the rules?
     
  35. djphinfan

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    my bad Red if this were the rules, I did not know there was NO vehicles of communication allowed.
     
  36. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    If you are talking about SFL...... It wasn't a smart concept. :up:
     
  37. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Than my criticism of Dansby is somewhat justified..
     
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  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I understood it, but it wasn't smart to promote it..
     
  39. Killerphins

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    Burnett took a lot of heat and so did Dansby early it's okay.
    Keepers.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    absolutely, he has the chance to be a great leader, I hope he takes advantage of it.
     

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