Dansby Publicly Disagrees With Philbin's Decision To Cut Chad Johnson

He certainly will make for a larger distraction in the near-term. However, over the course of the season, I think it eliminates a very large distraction.

 

It's common sense that when a player says he disagrees about a certain player being cut, it means that full on disrespect is coming in the future?

I don't call that common sense at all. And yes I think the onus is on you to prove this "slippery slope" theory of yours.

 

Let's hope that Philbins stops having private conversations in public that should be held in private.

 

You don't think this could create a disconnect CK?

 

Bill Belichick is not a great people person. But he also relies heavily on the leaders of the team to be the voice.

That, imo, is the way it should be. Joe is the coach, he needs to be the coach. He doesn't need to be their friends. He needs to get them to buy into the system, have leaders step up, and hopefully it moves from there in the right direction.

 

I'm not necessarily sure that a disconnect is a bad thing in this context. Its the coach's job to make tough, unpopular decisions. The players aren't responsible for that.

 

dansby needs to shut his mouth. its one thing for us fans to disaggree but for a team mate to disaggree with one of the head coaches decision is never a good sign. if i was philbin i would put dansby in with the 2nd string in the next pre season game just to see if he learns to shut up

 

Yea that will teach him. Will also teach your team something about priorities. Let's not play our LBs together when what we really should be doing is getting used to playing together in the new scheme, no, let's make sure he knows we don't answer questions here with the Miami Dolphins.

 

What BK is saying I believe is even though he might be saying things like this, it doesn't mean thats how he truly feels, and that bitterness can bleed into others, and affect focus, and the passion for his colors.?

I don't pretend to know the answer but I don't think Bks concerns are unreasonable..

For me I hope Philbin does not allow this conversation to be public, he must be on the same page with his leader, and it's up to Philbin to connect to him on that level imo

 

Hell NO! **Shakes fist** We are solving this team's problems here, and every single one of us is an expert on Team building and talent evaluation.

HOW DARE YOU?

 

Doubtful.

 

The difference is that while I have asserted that the theory that Joe Philbin just successfully sent a message to the team is MY PERSONAL OPINION, you clearly stated that Karlos Dansby's public disagreement leading into a slippery slope of disrespect is "common sense".

That's the difference. So yes, I think if you're going to assert that it's "common sense" then you should be able to cite at least one situation where something this mundane snowballed into full blown revolt.

 

context is everything. this is not a big deal at all IMO. there's some validity to Dansby's comments, but overall, you can tell by the interview that I just saw with Philbin on NFL network that Chad's overall routine and performance were not enough to overcome this.

 

Two words, Tom Coughlin. Living in NY I see articles that say things like this about him constantly.

Two Super Bowl Rings.

'Nuff said.

 

Anyway, as I said from the start, I don't mind that Dansby stuck up in defense of a popular locker room personality...that's part of his role as a leader of the locker room.

But at the same time, I'm glad the locker room is upset because if they weren't upset it wouldn't have been a learning experience. I expect this was a learning experience, and whether they like it or not they did take note of it.

 

I don't recall any of the instances you're referring to under Cam. To my recollection the first instance of insubordination under Cam Cameron was a FinHeaven poster who claimed he was at the Halloween party that Channing Crowder and Ronnie Brown and all the players go to every year, and that both Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas were talking major sh-t about Cameron and how they don't have any respect for him. I don't even know that you can call that an incident though, since it was word of mouth posted on a message board. The first REAL incident of insubordination was when Joey Porter publicly stood up in front of all the players and ripped Cam Cameron a new one for being 'gutless' and whatnot. And that's not a slippery slope, that was an avalanche.

I don't recall any instances of players publicly questioning Cameron or the other coaches, prior to that. So I don't see that in any way as fitting in your slippery slope theory.

I think Philbin did the right thing. You're assuming he pulled Dansby aside to tell Dansby not to go on record with the media like that disagreeing with their decisions. I very much doubt Joe Philbin told Dansby anything of the sort. I think Philbin had a discussion with Dansby because he was made aware that one of the leaders on his team personally disagreed with their decision on Chad Johnson and so wanted to explain his thought process. That's it. Communication is important.

 

Perhaps the issue is that guys in the locker room WILL stand behind their teammates even if they assault women and get arrested for DUI and SOMEONE has to be the voice of reason.

 

the team also takes note of whether its ok to question authority when they themselves have no authority in this matter. its never ok to publicly disaggree with the leader of any team. and its never ok to do nothing about it if u are the leader being publically questioned. if philbin does or says nothing things will get worse and more people than dansby will do the same. next thing u know we will be similar to the new york jets.

 

When did that happen? Link?

 

Wake needs to take that defense over.

Dansby hasn't been fit for leadership since he got here.

 

Wake is the type to lead by example. Just let him do his thing. Dansby has to be the verbal leader here. He has the swag to do it.

 

They publicly questioned Cam's hiring and the draft. They were pretty critical by their play too.

 

u can asks for links all you want, but i have an att go phone. its my only way to get online and its impossible to post a link with this phone. if dansby aggrees with philbins decicion he can speak about it all he wants to publicly. if he doesnt aggree he should say no comment or say nothing at all. any public disaggreeing with your leader is equal to questioning authority.

 

He shouldn't have much swag considering his play hasn't been anything special here.

 

How do you measure that? Is it the amount of dog barks per team address, ala Ray Lewis or what? Or is it some sort of composite metric weighing say, players experience, your analysis of how well he plays, how "blue collar" he appears, etc?

I'm really curious how someone not on the team comes to these kind of conclusions.

 

You want him to be a leader, or the best player on defense? There is a difference, and they are not directly correlated by any means.

 

A few quotes talking about how much they like Dom Capers doesn't constitute questioning Cam's hiring. If that's the case then I guess Nick Saban's tenure went down in flames because of a slippery slope of constant disrespect by the players who felt emboldened by their own ability to go on record saying they though Jim Bates should have been given more of a shot. But that didn't materialize.

And who DOESN'T question the Draft? Players included. Incidentally I don't recall that at all.

 

That's an inaccurate statement.

 

See that's what I'm thinking. The team just learned something about what is and is not going to be OK.

Nobody is questioning their authority to do this. Dansby stated several times they probably have more information than we do and he also echoed Reshad's statement that it's not their place to make those decisions.