Indy could be in trade talks with Phin's for Vontae Davis

For a first rounder, I would be happy to see Davis traded to the Colts. Unfortunately I think a second round pick or more likely, a third round selection is all the Colts would offer for Davis. Davis just has not played consistently enough over the last few years to be able to trade him for a first round draft pick. Heck, he's not even starting right now for the Dolphins and they have one of the worst defensive secondaries in the entire NFL.

 

Well then that speaks even more poorly of him.

 

Another indictment of Davis IMO. It's not like he's getting beaten out by all-world talent here.

 

there isn't a bigger believer in perfecting the body and craft for the sport than I, some players have some issues, but have good hearts attached, so you take chances on players who fit that script with high talent, and you try to develop the mind of that special athlete, perfecting the craft is a level of focus, intelligence maybe, that some have, and some take some time to have to learn, and some never learn, and for those, like our bad *** coach Jim turner said, "it's on him"..

Coaching is the development of men, part of that job needs to be getting players to reach the level of self awareness, to honing their craft like a science, you must find lines of communication to certain players that could be unconventional, yet completely necessary to connect to those players, to inspire them, to make them come together, the coaches must use use their intellect and wisdom to find those lines..you can't give up on some if their young doc and havent been in ugly trouble.admisssion of failure no? From a doctors perspective?

He's 24 years old, he's lb for lb, the most explosive player in the league, you take him off your defense, your in trouble..give the new staff the chance to develop him cause the old one obviously failed..give him one more year to see if he'll get it, if not," it's on him."

 

All this talk could be very similar to what happened with Ronnie Brown in 2007 to help motivate him.. Remember when they had him in punt coverage?

But just like Brown, I suspect that in 5 years we'll still be talking about his potential.

 

Coach DJ - Director of Player Psychological Development

What about guys like David Boston who wore fake contacts to look pretty with his steroidal physique??

 

Right, but the guy wasn't demoted for Nolan Carroll. He was demoted for Richard Marshall, who is a very good CB.

 

lol you're flailing bro.

 

Wouldn't be the first time or the last.

 

Vontae Davis is a 1st-round pick who's entering his fourth year in the league. A demotion under anyone should be considered a problem IMO. The guy should be a starter in the NFL.

 

When I watch Vontae Davis from last year I see a player was average for the first half and great in the second half. When I watch Richard Marshall, I see a player that was great for the entire season. I'm not necessarily sure that I agree that Vontae being behind Marshall is very much of an indictment.

 

I think you're placing the responsibility on the wrong party here. Vontae Davis has failed, not any coaching staff.

Again, this is an adult man who gets paid millions to do his profession. Why should there need to be any special "approach" used to get him to do his job correctly?

On the one hand you can argue that there are special coaches who are able to do that with some players, and on the other you can argue that getting rid of these guys who need these special approaches may be more beneficial to your team in that it sends the message that these players need to do that work with themselves or be gone. You may get more out of your next Vontae Davis simply by virtue of having gotten rid of this one and setting that precedent and expectation.

 

And sometimes you get nothing at all, a la Chad Johnson.

It's a trade off between the addition by subtraction you do with regard to the effect it has on the team culture, and whatever you get in return for the player.

Two third-round picks plus the positive effect it has on your team culture is worth the trade of Brandon Marshall IMO. Cutting Chad Johnson and getting nothing is also worth it IMO.

 

There is a big different between doing your job "correctly" and not performing to the level you are capable of. Vontae Davis was the former last season, while not necessarily the latter for the entire year.

 

My thought was that adding Marshall was for depth at CB. While SS24 and VD are not superstars, they are mostly capable, but in this league, you need at least 3 and probably 4 CBs deep on your roster. Why would they dump VD now, when a) he hasn't had a good camp and b) depletes our CB depth to at the worst, where it was last season. That said, Vontae has the heaviest cap hit of all the CBs but at $2.7m savings, is that enough to warrant getting rid of him ??

 

That's not a satisfactory explanation for his exuberance.

 

Speculating on whether trading VD is a good idea without having any idea on the range of compensation we would get is pretty pointless.

Pretty much everyone has a price and VD is certainly not above that.

 

Plus Richard Marshall and Sean Smith's brothers are murderers that kill people with hammers.

 

wow...

 

So you're saying Marshall isn't talented?

 

Well he was more talented than any other WR we had so that would mean we should win more games w him so how can't you support the trade when it fits your logic?

Edit: I thought you were talking about when we acquired him at first. I still disagree that getting rid of him was a bad thing though. We saw how that experiment went and it was time to cut bait, imo.

 

Remember, though, that this is a team with a first-year head coach and a rookie quarterback. This is a sensitive period in the development of this team's culture. You want as few detriments to that on the roster as possible IMO.

 

Exactly.

For me, I supported both the acquiring of Marshall and then also sending him packing.

Both were smart decisions.

 

I'm sorry, but when you are forcing your position coach to change jobs, you're causing more harm than you are helping.

 

It's not about Brandon Marshall being a boyscout, it's about him having a serious psychological problem that he doesn't appear to have under control that will almost certainly result in him missing extended time in the future due to suspension.

 

While dropping almost as many TDs as he's catching.

 

Sure, I'll toss em VD. I'll take Luck please. And I'd even toss in MM.

 

What good does that do if you are in the midst of a playoff run and he implodes? Or gets a 15 yard penalty during a crucial moment in the game?

I'll take my odds on someone with a head in the game.. For all that Brandon brought to the table he was still inconsistent and dropped multiple TD's that could have directly impacted our W/L record last year. I really don't care about what he did once we were essentially eliminated from playoff contention.

 

I think you are putting the cart before the horse. You don't create a business plan after you start to succeed. If you don't have a solid plan prior to opening the doors, your chance of success is minimal at best. I think winning builds confidence in the culture that was present from the start.

 

I like how people are trying so hard to convince themselves this team would be better off without Brandon Marshall.
Yeah, getting rid of an elite talent, and getting little in return for him, all the while nearly ignoring how to replace him.
Thats just brilliant GM work.

 

Where oh where will we ever get 6TDs and off field issues now!!!!!!

 

Who will berate our QB, and force coaches to relocate???

 

Who will demand the ball constantly and not follow through with good production?