OK folks, this team is going nowhere. I think that's clear. This season in my opinion is about the development of our franchise QB. We're all going to be Dolphins fans through this year and well into the future, probably till the day we die. Unless you're on your deathbed, there are a whole lot more seasons of football in store for you after this one. I think in order to stay sane as fans of the Miami Dolphins, we need to scale back our emotional investment in this team this year to the analysis and appreciation of Ryan Tannehill's development as a QB. The team is going nowhere. But Ryan Tannehill can go somewhere. If we finish this season well below .500, which I suspect we will, we can still emerge from the season having developed a franchise QB, which will obviously set us up for winning down the road. I'm personally going to view this season as all about Ryan Tannehill. I'm going to be far less concerned with the scores of games than I am with how Ryan Tannehill is developing as a pro. For example, we just saw a mess last night, but Ryan Tannehill threw his first pick as a pro and then immediately bounced back and engineered a scoring drive down the field. We lost the game, but we got a huge indication of our future franchise QB's mental makeup on that drive. Perhaps if you look at your emotional investment in the Dolphins on a long-term scale, that game was a win just for that reason. Anyway, just a (good?) idea.
Well, as soon as THill was named the Starter you sort of knew what was coming. The salvation of this season will come from the running game, or not at all, it really is that simple. Heresy I know, but a bad season will mean we can take a Wr to be THill's Megatron.
One less ginger to worry about..just sayin'.. John Jerry played well last night, this is one of my pet peeves about Staffs in general, they refuse to put guys on the field. To me, I'd rather put the Jerry's and Gates on the field and let them play to show what they can do well, and what their weaknesses are then to study "practice tape" over and over and geek out over hand placement and that crap. Play them, if they suck, churn them, do not horde guys you don't believe in only to waive them later. That comes with a huge opportunity cost, if we are gonna stink, may as well see what we have even if it means losses.
Shou thats probably a pretty good idea. Since 1950 only 3-4 rookie QB's produced 10 win seasons...off the top of my head I know Kyle Orton was one. I forget the others. If we get to 7-9/8-8 and Tannehill shows development and leadership then thats a pretty successful season. If we bomb and go 3-13 and Tannehill shows development...well even Peyton Manning had one of those his first season.
I started feeling this way the day we traded Marshall once they did that I knew the rebuild was on and this years draft would be for the upcoming years and not this year. Its the right way to rebuild if we were going to do it so I don't really have a problem with it.
I agree .As true Dolphans we may be disappointed in the results but we are lifers as fans so we need to get over it. Even when we suck there is always something to see like the development oF Tanny this year. And if you had any doubts that Tanny is the right starter you only have look at Moores performance where he mishandled the ball at the line of scrimmage......again .At least Tannys interception was while he was trying to create some offense not a self inflicted error handling the ball.
Problem is, if we lose more than we should, the coaching staff won't be here to see Ryan's progression thru to next year.
I'm sorry Padre, but that is a complete load of crap. getting really tired of hearing it. If we are a 4 or 5 win team with Tannehill, do you honestly believe that Garrard or Moore gets us above 0.500? I see our record with them being 6 wins at best. I do agree with your 2nd and 3rd points. hopefully our RBs stay healthy so we can enjoy a decent running game and we get the WR next season.
It's a good thought, but honestly...do you think there's going to be any scaling back on the emotional investment of this team after Hard Knocks? It's going to compound all our homerism to unseen levels.
I agree the tanny thing starting won't change the wins or losses much if at all this year at least not from Moore hard to say of Garrard none of us really got to see him play. We were already a team void of talent at the wr/te position even with Marshall he just masked a lot of the flaws without him were seeing just how horrible it really is.
I second that motion.Ireland is not putting the talent on the field for Philbin to work with.Hopefully he is replaced at the end of this year or we stand the risk of ruining both Philbins and Tannys careers.
Gets into a problem I've mentioned before. It will be really hard to know who is to blame if the season is a failure. Will it be growing pains for Philbin? Ireland being a ****ty GM? Both? I tend to agree though. If the season is a failure, I'm betting it will stem from missing pieces at crucial positions: WR, TE, S... just to name a few. Pieces Ireland has had time to find and hasn't. If his draft class turns out to be a failure, it'll be time for him to go. Even if Tannehill succeeds.
I think we'll all be just as emotionally invested, but perhaps we can emphasize the "game within the game" consisting of Ryan Tannehill's development. If he develops well, then losses can have "wins" embedded within them, and present misery can be balanced with hope for the future.
If this season ends up being as bad as many individuals think it will be. I have no idea why it would be Ireland making that selection in next years draft. Sparano was fired because the owner and many fans felt that the Dolphins had plenty of talent, but the coaching was the reason for the failures of the team. My question now is this. If this team once again finishes below 500 with a team that is suppose to have plenty of talent, who will the owner and the fans blame for another losing season? Will the heat once again fall on the coaching staff or will Ireland finally be seen as the GM who just can't provide the talent necessary to put a winning product on the field? I certainly realize that the regular season hasn't even started and the Dolphins might surprise us all and actually have a winning season. I just have to question why Ireland would still be around after this season if the Dolphins have another losing record. Just something to ponder as the Dolphins get ready to open the regular season in 15 days.
This season boils down to the old saying..... Can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. I dont care how good of a "chef" Tannehill is. Maybe when Hartline is back that helps. I love Omar acting like Naanee is gping to the probowl in practice and the guy is invisible in the games. Aside from his 2 very visible drops.
Here's the problem though. The emotional investment in Tannehill is so high it will be next to impossible for most Dolphin fans to judge his play objectively. Not that it matters, it's not our job. But I can guarantee you in the eyes of fans on this board Tannehill will be able to do no wrong in year 1. Probably not a bad philosophy to have towards a rookie QB, but if he doesn't cut it people will still defend him tooth and nail. I mean, people tried to paint John Beck's rookie action as being good. Remember those cleverly edited YouTube highlight reals displaying all 5 of his decent passes that season?
I think barring a complete 1-15 type disaster where the team completely quits on Philbin, he'll be retained for another year. Afterall he was reportedly Ross's choice. Jeff Ireland is on the hot seat though, and the sooner he gets ****canned the better. I can't see Ross keeping him after another bad year unless Tannehill puts up great numbers.
after just three preseason games, if you can't see that Tannehill is better than Beck then I don't know what to tell you.
this most recent draft class is more important to Ireland's status than you think. Guys like Martin, Vernon, Egnew and Miller.
If after reading my post you thought I was saying Tannehill was worse or equal to Beck, I don't know what to tell you.
I think that's true, but I think you'll see a segment of folks who think he can do no wrong, and another segment who think he can do no right. Then there will be a (much smaller) segment who are able to make a pretty fair appraisal.
Prior to the draft, I was one of those individuals on this forum who stated that Tannehill should NOT be drafted with the 8th overall pick. I just felt that he wasn't ready for the NFL and I questioned his ability to be a starter in the NFL, because of his limited experience at the college level. That being stated, I certainly think it will be very difficult to judge him this year, unless the offensive players around him vastly improve over the course of this coming season. Right now he appears to be in a situation where he will be forced to deal with a below average receiving corp and an offensive line which seems to be having trouble in pass protection. My attitude toward Tannehill at this time is that he is the best QB on the active roster, so he should be the starter. I also don't think that it will be fair to judge his ability to become the long term stater for this team based on how he plays this season, because of the overall lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. All I hope for Tannehill this season is that he doesn't get seriously injured playing behind this offensive line, and that he is able to learn and gather NFL experience for the future. When hopefully he will have better personnel to work with in the receiving corp and the offensive line. I think even the best QB's the NFL would have trouble leading this group of misfits the Dolphins have on offense.
But I think you have to look at that as a pretty positive development, given that he beat out a QB who had an 87 QB rating as a pro last year.
Yes I do. I am willing right now to admit that Tannehill is better now then I thought he would be early in his career. As far as beating out Moore, Moore has been awful this season and I never thought he was a good fit for the WCO. I always thought that Garrard was a better fit and would be the starter going into the season. Of course he was injured and that left the door open for Tannehill. It should also be noted that Nick Foles and Russell Wilson have both looked quite impressive in the preseason for the Eagles, and the Seahawks, and they were both drafted after the first round. I loved Russell Wilson and I think he is going to be a star in the NFL. I just hope Tannehill continues to improve and he eventually is able to be surrounded by some quality talent on offense.
Hence why I said Tannehill's play this year is going to make or break Ireland. Those other guys don't really matter all that much, though I doubt those picks are going to be looking too good for Ireland this season either. It's all going to be about Tannehill.
I feel the same way as you. Just seeing Tannehill get some experience and take some steps forward....but, if he has no one to throw to and is getting hammered after each drop back worries me.
Agree, Shou. Like a few others, I resigned myself to this before the pre-season began. Too many question-marks - not only on offense but defense as well (extremely mediocre - 16-20 range). This is a 5-11 type team and will be until they get more talent at key spots.
Jeff Ireland has had five years to acquire talent at key spots and yet here we are. It will be good when he's finally gone.
This season is about Ryan Tannehill, but I think Reggie Bush is primed to have a big year all around. I think Bess will catch a ton of passes too but the rest of our offense is in question. It's pretty much going to be those three on offense with Bush being the featured player. Tannehill will be thrown into the fire and that is the best thing for him in my opinion. I think he's a hands on type of learner and in his situation starting right away will help him in the long term. For some QB's it's better to sit a year or so but I don't see that in Tannehill's situation. We are building from the ground up so we might as well let this season be about his development.
I've had Sunday Ticket since it was made available in Canada, in the mid 90's. Every year without thought I renew... This is the first time I've ever given thought to not renewing and I'm still wavering. It was between Sunday Ticket and NHL Center Ice for me this year (I've been watching Bruins games on free feeds for too long). The fact the NHL will be locked out until December has me leaning towards Sunday Ticket, not my love for this football team. the question I ask myself is, do I REALLY want to pay $200.00 to watch Ryan Tannehill get his head kicked in week after week?
I love it. After three preseason games people are talking about Philbin being fired and Tannehill being ruined. Positive bunch we got here.
I haven't seen to much if that Nez but I am interested in seeing how this works in terms of dynamics and rebuilding, are these players gonna buy in?, something i've thought about is can this coach get these players to play their hardest this year with some emotion and enthusiasm.?
It takes a special kind of person to realize the embarrassment of a team we're fielding and expect people to just be all hunky-dory about it. The preseason hasn't told us anything new. We knew the team was a disaster before games were played. A gigantic rebuilding project. The games just help solidify what the majority of us already knew. as for Philbin, nobody has suggested he should be fired.
This is true. However, if a QB is successful, the segment of folks who will unfairly judge him will be much smaller than the segment of folks who blindly defend him if he's a bum. Where you will see both sides be somewhat equal is if you have a season from a QB where he struggles but flashes franchise potential. Peyton Manning's first season is a perfect example. That's what was so devastating about Chad Henne. I think he flashed a ton of potential in the 2009 season before his game kinda went to hell. Funny thing is though, whether a person is in the "defend him blindly even if he's a bum" camp or "He's a bum because he isn't the next Dan Marino" camp both sides will think they are being 100% objective. I think you can find that small segment of people who do a good job of being objective by looking at their posts. If both of the aforementioned camps disagree with the posts of the poster, that person is probably being pretty objective.
