Not true. Not overall. Their defense is very solid. Their WRs are very good group, not just Fitz. It's like Ohio said, they cannot pass block, especially their tackles, worth a sh#t. That severe weakness is hamstringing their entire team.
Yeah Shouright, but if we accept the premise that at this point, this team playing the best it can and with the benefit of few injuries, is at most a borderline playoff team, with a back up quarterback inserted, they are definitely not a playoff team. So inserting Moore has absolutely no benefit on the team, because if you're gonna miss the playoff, any additional wins is just detrimental to the team.
You don't give away good back up quarterbacks, who have proven they can start, for peanuts just because "he won't see the field this year or any other year". One blown assignment by one guy could make Matt Moore the starter short or long term (knock on wood). He is also a leader and good in the room. Personally, I want Ireland to sign the guy to an extension.
I think it is. Experienced back up quarterbacks who are respected in the locker room are not dime a dozen. A 4th round pick is a 4th round pick. I value draft picks but what is the percentage of 4th rounders who change teams fortunes? I'd think it is pretty low. How many times has a team lost it's starting quarterback for a period of time and had their season sunk because of the quality of their back up quarterback? I place a VERY high value on a good backup quarterback.
So...you want to create a need by trading a proven backup and fill the need by using the draft pick you acquired for said player to fill the need you created? That sounds like something Randy Mueller would do.
We'll have to agree to disagree about Moore being an appropriate fit for this offense, whereas Devlin looks to have a higher ceiling in it IMO, so yes, I'd rather move forward with Devlin or draft a guy who is a better fit than Moore. I get what you're saying about leadership but I don't see that as a significant reason to keep him considering we already have a QB who provides that trait.
And I totally understand all that but if Tannehill gets hurt (knock on wood) we are COOKED if Devlin has to play. Matt Moore can win us games and keep us in it, Devlin wold move us up in the draft.
I personally like Matt Moore about as much as anyone here, but IMO neither of those statements regarding the two backup QBs are a certainty. I'd like to think Moore could keep us in the race, but I wouldn't bank on it. Devlin may also surprise his detractors if he were called upon to play as the starter for a few games, but then again I wouldn't bet on that either.
Well I certainly don't agree with making personnel moves based on the idea that one injury means you give up the season.
What's pretty low is the percentage of fourth-round picks who even become starters, let alone change a team's fortunes.
This. I like Moore, but he was awful the entire offseason in this offense. In the last two pre season games Devliln was much better with essentially the same talent around him and against him. I would hope they could get at least a 4th for him though.
That's quite understandable. For me it would boil to Garrard passing inspections. And to be fair to Devlin, we haven't gotten to see him every day in practice to know what his improvement has looked like after his nice preseason showing.
Shou, does that mean you're retracting your Hartline for president threads? Soliai, Lamar Miller, and the Hitman were all 4th rounders, so it's not like we're talking about the leftover scraps after all the rookie free agents have been signed.
To those who doubt this... Can you say... "Cleo?" Can you say..."Lemon?" And that was in the BAD OULDE DAYS!!!!
Gerrard would be free to sign. Moore would cost a draft pick. Gerrard is very capable of running any offense as well...
True, although a) they might want someone younger they could re-sign for a few years and battle for a starting position; and b) assuming he lives on the east coast Garrard might be at the point in his career/life where he wouldn't want to move his family out west and would rather play close to home, if he plays at all.
The problem with this is that it assumes the Dolphins are a playoff calibre team with a back up QB like Moore. They simply are not. Better to trade Moore for a draft pick and if Tanny does go down, we'll likely get an even higher pick. It would be different if Miami's team was well rounded, if they were 5-1 and dominating teams, looking like a surefire SB contender. Then, you don't make that trade. But, as it is, they need bodies at other positions and they need as much flexibility in next year's draft (or picks to trade for established players). They can pick up a Matt Moore in the offseason without a lot of trouble, imo. Even Gerrard would be a good pick up. But, it may also be that Devlin would become a better backup than Moore. I just don't see any reason not to try to trade him for a pick. This team is still a work in progress. And, even if they shock and go, say, 10-6, they still will need as many draft choices next year to potentially move up and grab a WR or to get a couple of WR's.
I think this is a playoff caliber team and it would be 5-1 if Carpenter made a few kicks that he should have made. Last year, with Moore at QB, this team played at a playoff caliber for the 2nd half of the season. Every team has needs at certain positions. I think this team has less glaring needs than most. And it has tremendous flexibility already with a stockpile of picks in the first 3 rounds as well as significant projected cap space. All that being said, Moore did not look good in the preseason. Then again, neither did most of the team. I have a reasonable amount of confidence in Devlin, especially for a 2nd year UDFA QB, so I'd seriously consider trading Moore, but to do so would need at least a 4th round pick and maybe a 3rd (which we wouldn't get).
IDK, Fineas... this team is a playoff caliber team IF certain things continue to happen....Tanny continues to develop, Martin and Jerry continue to play well, one of the other WRs (besides Bess) start to play consistently (Gaffney, MMoore, Hartline), someone besides Bush can step up among the RBs, we don't have major injuries to the key players that are playing well. Carroll can hang on until Marshall can come back, Misi continues to play as consistently good as he has, Jones continues to get better, and as you mentioned, Carpenter can back on track.... There is just too many questions still to call this a playoff caliber team... That doesn't mean they can't or won't, but I think some things have to happen and or continue to happen to help us along. Most importantly, we have to fare better against our division to get to the dance... A few timely losses by NE, jests, jills wouldn't hurt...
Garrard is 32/33 and coming off a year and a half of injuries. Moore is younger, healthy and fits better Hes capable but hes 32 and now hes going to learn a new system in midseason after being off for a year and a half?
Well, it goes without saying that no team is playoff caliber unless it continues to play well. If Atlanta or Houston or any other team starts playing consistently terribly, they will cease being playoff caliber too. The guys we have don't need to improve for this team to be playoff caliber. They just have to keep doing what they are doing. That is true of any other playoff caliber team too. And every other team is similarly vulnerable if key players are lost to injury. I don't think any of our guys are playing so far above their talent level -- they are just doing what they are capable of doing. Obvisouly, if they stop doing that then the team will miss the playoffs. But that is true of most other teams too. We will have to play well against our division. Again, something true of every team. But this division is not particularly strong. This team can beat any team in the division.
Anybody still wanna trade Matt Moore? Can you imagine what Pat Devlin would've looked like with no NFL experience against Rex Ryan's defensive disguises today?
Exactly....get the picks for Moore asap, and Devlin would do an equal job as Moore. ZERO doubt in my mind from what I saw in pre season and even in todays game. Moore is not a savior.
That's awful easy to say. Here's how you gauge how you really feel about it: imagine the difference in how you would've felt watching this game if Pat Devlin would've replaced Ryan Tannehill at that point in the game instead of Matt Moore. I suppose you can say you would've felt fine.
Would feel the same as I did...."oh crap, hopefully we dont F it up." Moore has not shined at all in his play.....Devlin showed equal ability and just needs a chance to get same 1st rep time as Moore. Trade Moore and get the pick, asap.
top pay is around 400k in the NFL scrub pay is 500k Love the Red Rifle in BC but think via starting Riley they know the deal.
YES!! The Experts here have all determined he cannot operate effectively in this offense. That is why he sucked today. I wonder what excuse the experts who say he cannot play in this offense will say to spin things now...
