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What's your first decision of the offseason?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 2, 2012.

  1. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    This team will use up a lot of that money not to sign new players but to resign our own players (many of which are just adequate not great players) so I don't get that people think we are going to make this "big splash" in 2013. Have you looked at our list of players we need to resign most with significant raises ?
     
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  2. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    I think he was posting in jest to lighten the spirit a bit.
     
  3. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    This is probably why he gets to stay.......unfortunately.
     
  4. oakelmpine

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    as risky as it is, I would rather chance someone else. I've seen enough of Ireland. I know what his "safe" picks will look like. I know the chances of him actually picking a playmaker are low at this point, so why not give someone else a shot ? Because they could mess up ? Well what has been happening here for years now ?
     
  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I would too considering the team has been built the past few years in Ireland's image, meaning a new GM might be good in his own right but now as good as Ireland when it comes to filling appropriate players for the specific type of team, schemes, etc that Ireland is building on. That's not an excuse to keep Ireland around. It's just a fact.

    Ireland's not just operating on a 2012 mentality; some moves & acquisitions he did [or didn't do] this year were with keeping 2013 and beyond in mind, so he obviously has a plan moving forward that coincides with what he started this year with the draft, coaching hires, and FA. It's possible there's a better drafting GM out there, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's better at identifying talent for the system Ireland has put in place with Philbin, Coyle, and Sherman. I'd like to think Ireland implemented a system that best fits to the strength of his drafting ability, and considering our new schemes are vastly different than what Parcells hired guys to implement, it's quite possible that what we see moving forward represents Ireland's true ability, where as the past with Parcells simply didn't fit to Ireland's strong suit as a talent assessor, and I say that b/c just being good at identifying talent doesn't mean you're good across the board. Ireland could very well be poor at identifying talent for a Dan Henning possession-based, ball-controlled, run-oriented, mauling-style man-blocking offense but be an asset at identifying the type of talent needed for Philbin's offense. Considering the guys he's brought in the past 2 years, I wouldn't be quick to rule out his ability to build this team around Philbin. I really wouldn't.
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Fire Jeff Ireland.
     
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  7. dWreck

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    Because.... most of the time OC's do?
     
  8. Fin-Omenal

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    Extend Karlos Dansby, to 5 more years at 13m a year, Pay Davone Bess #1 WR money, and look for a way too trade up in the draft for an average RB like Daniel Thomas.


    Signed Jeff Ireland.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    Probably. He's a great poster but it was uncalled for.
     
  10. LBsFinest

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    lmao
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    change the unis!! Tell me what I've won Bob?
     
  12. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    You said off season , so I wouldn't do it tomorrow . I trust a replacement more than I do Ireland going forward and this is putting aside any vitriol. Too much to lose if we don't move ahead substantially and I am not prepared to risk / bet on Ireland from his track record.

    See if a new GM is positive about Philbin , not mandatory though , however I would prefer to keep him , but the Parcells , Ireland , Sparano era was a huge fail , imo and once again we will miss the playoffs and in all likelyhood be a sub .500 team . He has had enough time , and hasn't produced imo.
     
  13. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    We'll have enough left over to add a key player or 2, even if it's an upgrade at guard, a receiver like Jennings (or possibly Wallace/Bowe), and a TE like Jared Cook or Jermichael Finley. We should have enough cap space after signing our guys to do that, especially now that Long's price is coming down.

    Also, there are some guys we don't have to re-sign. Long, Hartline, and Fasano for example. There's a possibility of moving Martin to LT and designating Long's heavy salary toward Mike Wallace (or Jennings/Bowe)..... and Wallace's addition would make it unnecessary to throw $3-4 million per year at Hartline and instead allow us to use that on a corner like Aqib Talib, allowing us to move Richard Marshall to FS (upgrading 2 positions with one). We can afford to pay a little extra to Jared Cook or Jermichael Finley to upgrade TE rather than re-sign Fasano. On top of that we'd still have money left over to add another few key players like right guard Kraig Urbik to address the interior Oline and depth elsewhere around the field. We could be upgraded by just the shuffling around of money & players, but we'd still have money to spare and before the draft rolls around.


    We'd be left needing a RT, but with 3 picks in the first 2 rounds that's not a huge deal. Hypothetically, we could add a pass rusher in the 1st, a RT in the 2nd, and WR in the 2nd, and we'd be significantly upgraded all the way around.

    WR: Wallace, 2nd round receiver, Bess, Rishard Matthews, 3rd/4th round receiver like Swope or Stedman Bailey {WR now heavily upgraded}

    TE: Jared Cook (or Finley), Clay, Egnew, 3rd round Hback like Jordan Reed or 4th rounder Chris Gragg {TE now much upgraded}

    Oline: the additions of Urbik and a 2nd round RT plus the development of Martin should leave the Oline better than it currently is (considering it should be more suited for a zone blocking scheme).

    RB: the same unit (Bush, Thomas, Miller, Thigpen) should be improved with a season's more development and a WR/TE unit that stretches the field, creates more space, and keeps defenses honest, plus an oline better suited for Philbin's blocking scheme.

    Defense: the addition of a premium pass rusher and one upgrade to the secondary makes this good unit even better.

    Combine it all and it's potential for a big splash.
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't know what's going on with that sh&$, but it's almost like that group is dictating the situation, their building from within, and their weird, and I don't particularly like them..some if its grotesque and disturbing..the chucky face scared my kid...lol

    And there seemingly is a concerted effort to show that same group all the time, and the group is getting bigger, almost like there's some sort of deal going in, those two black dudes that are trying to get everyone fired up are shown every home game.

    I saw a lot if them in camp and they were sweet, but I have to think it might be an experiment gone bad..

    Their great fans because they always are engaged and loud, but I wish I knew about this weird scary imagery sh$& comes from.
     
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  15. ToddPhin

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    I can't argue with that. There's a few posters whose demise would be worth Ireland's firing. :shifty:
    Call it a pyrrhic victory.
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    D22, the offseason for me started at 4 o'clock..that's why I made the thread because the quicker we know about what Bush is going to do, the quicker we can get Miller on the field.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    That's ok, more than one is entitled to be wrong at a time. :p
     
  18. brandon27

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    - Fire Jeff Ireland, and anyone leftover from the Parcells era of stench.
    - Hire new GM
    - Offer Jake a reasonable contract, if he takes it great, if he demands top LT money, probably have to part ways.
    - Offer Reggie a deal, but not on the terms of a feature back. I doubt he's done enough in the two years here to show that any other team will pay him as a feature back. If he takes the lesser deal, great, if not... Goodbye
    - Id get a deal done for Hartline as a #2.
    - Id draft, or try and sign a FA #1 WR.
    - Id try and make sure Smith gets a deal too, but I'd also be lookin for another CB.
     
  19. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    honestly it's the decisions on who you are planning on resigning that need to be made (after you have your GM solidified). Then you try your best to lock them up before the start of free agency.

    Guys like Randy Starks. And for all you guys that don't believe Ireland will be back, be prepared to see many of the unrestricted free agents signing elsewhere. Guys like Sean Smith and Brian Hartline are more likely to be back if Ireland is retained. And all of a sudden the projected $34 million in cap room is reduced to $20 million with a few guys coming back. Then you're allocating $5m or so to the rookie pool. And quickly it's down to $15 million. With the holes we have... if you go spending all of that on two high profile free agents, have you really made your team better?

    Conversely, you fire Ireland... (the crowd goes nuts)... maybe you only bring back Starks... you have approx $28m in cap room after that and you go building yourself a contender with $13m more in cap room than if you keep Ireland... the same amount of picks... if you don't tag Long, you're committing to Martin at LT. You may be drafting a tackle in the first round. You still need a guard or two. You still need to get better at wide receiver. You still need a pass rush that is consistent. You need at least two GOOD corners since you've let Smith walk. You probably can't fill all those holes in one offseason either. So after one year, some of you are already rooting to tear it down (again) and start over. Have you made your team better?
     
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  20. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    In my opinion Wide receiver and cornerback are my top priorities this offseason.
    WR's
    Bess, Hartline, and Matthews stay...The others go
    I really don't like the options in the free agent market. I think Wallace is an overrated player and I don't really want the baggage that a Dwayne Bowe brings to a team. Greg Jennings can't stay healthy and Wes Welker is not really what we need.
    One guy that is a free agent that is really starting to warm on me is Danario Alexander. He's 6'4 and has some speed as a deep threat. He's young and is really having a great second half in San Diego. We would be in a bidding war against the Chargers but none the less I think Alexander has earned himself a pay day. His upside is huge and he would really help us in the vertical game.

    Regardless if we could get Alexander or not i'm still drafting the best receiver available during the draft. Lets say that player is Tennessee WR Justin Rodgers.
    We go into next season with some youth and speed at the position and I think that is the number one priority.

    Alexander
    Hartline
    Bess
    Hunter
    Matthews

    CB's
    Once again the free agent cb's aren't exactly cream of the crop. Maybe we pay Brent Grimes and he comes back healthy. Maybe Quentin Jammer has a few years left, or maybe we get Jason McCourty from the Titans. Either way we need to sign someone established.

    We went receiver in the first round and I think we should go cornerback in the second round. (best available).

    We are addressing our two biggest needs properly in my opinion. After that is done I think we can turn the focus to our offensive line situation with Jake Long. I do think he needs to be re signed though. I think he's the best in the game at his position despite having an off year. Bring back Nate Garner as he provides some solid depth. Continue to develope John Jerry and Jon Martin. Bring in competition for Incognito via free agency or via draft.

    Reggie Bush can stay or go in my opinion. Throw an offer at him and see what happens. If it's too low of an offer we can find another third down back in the latter rounds of the draft. Running backs are a dime a dozen in my opinion.

    I'm bringing Sean Smith back.. He's the best that we have right now. Lose him and we are really going to suck in the secondary.

    I'm moving Richard Marshall to free safety to see if thats a better fit for him. He's still young but probably ready for a position change in the secondary. I just feel like he'd be better as a safety.
    I'm moving Reshad Jones to strong safety allowing Marshall to start.

    Dan Carpenter will have some stiff competition in training camp/pre season and may the best man win. He will have to fight for his job next preseason.

    We need a pass rusher but i'm probably more inclined to give Olivier Vernon a fair shot at the job. Like Derrick Shelby too.
     
  21. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    So our players aren't very good but will all be receiving significant raises? Not resigning Jake Long alone (and I really hope we don't) will give us a boatload of maneuverability.
     
  22. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Watching this offense struggle mightily and seeing that the strength of the defense is still primarily stopping the run let's you know that Ireland has done NOTHING to change the outdated team building philosophies of Bill Parcells. He's gotta go. Bring in a GM who can build a winning team in the CURRENT NFL, not 1985.
     
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  23. LBsFinest

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    I'm feeling your plan...but it doesn't have a chance in hell of coming to fruition if we keep our head decision maker in place, I can promise you that.
     
  24. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Our defense has been very good this season in almost every single game. Even a few they were "average" were aided by offensive mistakes forcing them into terrible situations.

    For all this talk the defense gave up 23 points to a team that was supposed to crush us with their high powered offense, all while our own offense could not stay on the field.

    Getting rid of Ireland will make things worse not better.
     
  25. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    1st thing I'd do if I were Ross, would be to start building that new awesome water-park!
     
  26. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    What's your logic behind that?
     
  27. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    That I understand what Ireland is doing with his moves and agree unlike most of our short sighted fans who Im not sure understand football?
     
  28. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    uh oh.. you'd better run before the people with pitchforks and clubs get ya.
     
  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    First thing I'd do is get rid of that.." and it's another Miami Dolphins... first down"... just play some cool music or Eric Cartman saying something funny.
     
  30. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Thanks for answering the question.:pity:
     
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  31. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Could you please enlighten the rest of us poor fans who "don't understand football"? What is Ireland doing with these moves? Or do you know about a time machine he's building where he plans to take this team he and Parcells built back to 1985 where they might be able to compete?
     
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  32. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Target GB Packer front office people and free agents
     
  33. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I've said this before but I will say it again.

    There's really no indication that hiring a new GM means a first year head coach gets fired. There's no evidence that fits.

    The fact of the matter is, team structures vary across the league. Sometimes a GM is hired and becomes the head of the organization, hiring his own head coach, and sometimes a coach is hired and he's the one that picks out his own GM. It's all about who has the clout to be making the demands.

    There's only one GM out there I see with the clout to come in demanding his own head coach. That's Bill Polian. And if he demands that his son come along to claim a position of authority in the front office, that street cred disappears. At that point Bill Polian will not have the juice to come in demanding a Joe Philbin is fired and replaced by someone of his choice.

    Nobody else out there can do that. Every single other possibility is a guy just looking for a promotion.

    I honestly have no idea why anyone would be stuck on this idea that if we hired someone like Eric Decosta or Nick Caserio, Marc Ross, etc...they'd demand to hire their own head coach. Not going to happen.
     
  34. PhinsRDbest

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    Monst, you highly lack the foreskin oops sorry foresight to see that nobody but Ireland can run the Dolphins like Ireland can and you don't understand that in order to win football games you have to score more goals by the time the 3rd period ends.
     
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  35. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    1) Kill Jeff Ireland
    2) Dispose of the Corpse in a fashion that ensures he does not come back as a zombie
    3)?????????
    4)Profit.
     
  36. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    You able to get thru doorways with a head that big? Or has it resulted in becoming a shut-in.
     
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  37. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    If your nice to him, he'll let you borrow some of his foresight.
     
  38. LBsFinest

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    i disagree CK, i don't think Decosta or Ross would have any problem turning down our offer to run the team if they weren't granted the authority to make a head coaching change..if not right away, then at least after the 2013 season if they saw fit. as a GM having the ability to make a change is vital if you weren't responsible for the guy currently in place, usually you only get one crack at running a franchise, not everyone will gamble their one shot working with a head coach they have no background or familiarity with just because it's a promotion, they'll want some sort of insurance if they aren't 100% sold on the guy they inherit.

    even if we do what Chicago did, which is reunite the head coach with an executive he's worked with in the past (Phil Emery), a Russ Ball or John Dorsey will probably still want the authority to make a change, just like Emery demanded and was given.
     
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  39. ToddPhin

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    If Parcells were still here I would completely agree with you. I genuinely don't feel it with Ireland. Skill position players will be upgraded with Ireland next year I promise you that, and it'll most likely be in the form of a pleasant surprise to fans who currently don't trust him. In the very least it'll be Greg Jennings and perhaps even Finley. The only reason I don't foresee him passing on a FA upgrade to TE is if Philbin & Co are highly confident in Egnew's potential to contribute next year, which is still possible. If that's the case we could see Fasano back if he represents a discount over Finley.

    Mark my words, Ireland hasn't spent so much time evaluating Tannehill & having a crush on him for over a year now to ignore giving him some shiny new toys to further prove his pick of our QB as the right one. You gotta believe he's chomping at the bit to give Ryan the proper tools to develop & succeed (not to be confused with any pricey FA additions). Ireland didn't bring in or sign off on Tanny's TAMU system & coaches to just stop there. That's only the beginning. There are some GMs who are that ignorant but he ain't one. What would actually surprise me is if he doesn't add some playmakers tailored to Tanny's skill set and the offense's scheme (especially considering we made a call into Pitt about Wallace IIRC).

    Posters criticized the heck out of Ireland for not grabbing Kolb, Orton, Palmer, or Flynn.... and then criticized him for not drafting a QB 1st in 2011 (Gabbert, Ponder, Locker), but by not making a rash decision and holding out a year we ended up with Tannehill for the next dozen+ years, a better option than all the above. Now this year we're criticizing him for not addressing WR the way many had hoped. If preserving that money and/or picks for 2013 ends up netting us a better receiver(s) than available to us in 2012, then how bad of a job did he really end up doing in this regard? There's actually a chance his patience ends up making us better for the long term despite it not being obvious at the moment.
     
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  40. ckparrothead

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    I don't see how Phil Emery is a good example. As I understand it they told Emery that no matter what he thinks, Lovie Smith is the head coach in 2012. Smith's contract runs him thru 2013, so they told Emery that after a year working with Lovie if it's not working out they'll force Lovie out a year early.

    Either way that had a lot more to do with frustration over Lovie Smith's coaching than Phil Emery having the clout o demand he get the authority to fire him.

    Your example really just illustrates how even if the Dolphins hire a new GM, Joe Philbin will still likely be coaching the team in 2013.
     

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