Salguero: Dolphins tried to extend Hartline this season

Hartline for GM:

 

Can't say I am surprised by this. I am genuinely curious what Hartline grabs this season. I feel like some team will overpay for him.

 

Rosenhaus no less.

Adios BLine, Ireland should have extended him prior to the season, Bline is quite right.

 

Like to know the numbers that insulted Hartline..

 

Has Ireland signed a big $$$ deal with a Rosenhaus player?

I know Ocho was a Rosenhaus guy, but he also signed a cheapy contract not a multi yr deal with a player in his prime.

 

Holy crap. An actual story. Congrats, Armando!

 

Seriously, it only happens once a year. I guess hes getting all his hard work out of the way early this year which is fine so I know to ignore him the rest of the year.

 

Never stopped him before.

 

I would guess about what Bess resigned for. Which is to say 3 years for $9M and not much guaranteed.

 

If Hartline prices himself high the problem becomes the Dolphins can just upgrade to Greg Jennings and not have to pay much more than they'd pay for Brian Hartline.

 

That is if Jennings wants to come here or go to an established team with playoff experience and a QB that is more than Tannehill.

People just "assume" he wants to come here. We thought that about Flynn too, and that didn't happen.

If we lose Hartline, that puts this team even farther in the hole. Good luck Ireland.

 

We'll need 2 Wr's if Bline walks.

A wr corpse of Jennings/Bess/Moore is not likely to set the world alight

With Ireland running things this makes me uncomfortable, he is singularly bad and finding offensive talent.

As an aside, I mentioned he'll want 7 million per, and he probably will get it imo.

I also think he winds up in New England but for less $$$.

 

This......BLine could be the next Wes Welker. Watch it happen.

 

Flynn DID want to come here. The Dolphins offered half what the Seahawks offered.

At this point considering the praise I've heard come out of Greg Jennings about Joe Philbin back when he was interviewed on Finsiders when Philbin was hired, and considering Jennings' sister openly lobbying for Greg to get paid and take his talents to south beach, there's smoke here and there's also fire. If the Dolphins offer a competitive contract to Jennings I think he's theirs.

 

Thanks for the memories Brian. I love the " you need it, your going to have injuries" comment. Your right BHart every team needs decent players like you that can step up in event of injury. They just can't afford to pay them like very good players.

I like Hartline but his skills are severely limited. He replaced Camarillo, which was his purpose. We need to upgrade and paying him doesn't make sense. He's allergic to the endzone. You have more a chance of scoring on an inside hand off than you do on a deep completion to Brian. Soo many times this year he's had the angle, and simply gave it up. Don't get me started on the 1 finger tackles either. I realize you need depth. I'd just much rather spend what's necessary to bring in a #1 WR, and draft a few speedsters. We can probably sign a Jered Cook or Dustin Keller with the $ Hartline has in mind ! Now those are upgrades.

 

I bet he fell over when he heard their offer.

 

What I notice about that article is that Brian Hartline was really upset about the offer at mid-season, and now seems to be a lot less upset. That's not coincidental. At mid-year (Week 9) coming off strong games against Oakland, Arizona and Indianapolis, Hartline had 662 yards receiving and was on his way to a 1300+ yard season. Sure he only had 1 touchdown but he had to figure more would come.

But the fact of the matter is he finished with 1083 yards and just the 1 touchdown.

In this case, unlike the Sean Smith case, I think there's a strong possibility that Brian Hartline is the one being unreasonable and that the Dolphins are actually offering Hartline what he's worth.

My estimate on the cost to keep a Brian Hartline:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?73812-You-are-the-GM&p=1944676&viewfull=1#post1944676

 

Ireland was on his way to offering a huge contract, but cut back and Coach pushed him over. So we wound up with this, Brian.......

 

Yep, look at it from their pov:

-Welker wants 9 million per yr, he's 31
-Hartline wants less, he's 26
-Weakens the Dolphins further and this time they won't have to toss us a #2 and #6 pick

Bline is very much a NE type of player as well, quiet, does his job etc.

 

lol The next Wes Welker.

 

But as seen with Hartline (whether or not he's worth it) will the Dolphins offer a competitive contract ? Sometimes you have to overpay. As has been said already, Ireland had the chance to sign Hartline cheaper, and didn't have the (needed) foresight to do it. It's these kind of things that all add up, with the hit & miss drafting that make many of us feel Ireland is just not up to the task.

 

Slick, do you recall how many Td's Welker caught in 06?

As many as Bline caught in 12.

Dolphins fans are so funny sometimes

 

How many here thought Welker would be what he became when he was traded ? It's not that he has the same skill set as Welker, but watch Hartline, if he goes to NE, stick it to the Dolphins. Watch it happen.

 

Tom Brady. Bill Bellichick. I can see this happening.

Hartline probably can bust out in NE, but for sure should Davonne Bess land in the hands of the Patriots... God help us all. Our anuses are not prepared.

 

Exactly....all on point. I wonder if those "snickering" about it in this thread are actually doing it defensively, because deep down they think we may be right. A nervous laugh so to speak.

 

I'm not sure Jennings is going to be that cheap. Hartline IMO is going to get ~$6M/yr., but Jennings is going to get ~$10M/yr. And even if you do sign Jennings, I don't think that really changes the situation with Hartline either. The team's biggest issue IMO was that they really had no versatility in terms of formations. The main contributor was the lack of a quality 3rd WR. If they're going to spend that kind of money on Jennings, it seems counter-productive to lose Hartline at the same time.

I also think its important to keep in mind that Brian Hartline is also a Pro Bowl alternate. While that really means very little in terms of assessing someone's ability, I think its important to consider how he got to become an alternate. If it is comprised of fan votes, coach votes, and player votes, I surely don't think it was fans that put him there. Brian Hartline is the type of player coaches love, and I think that is going to get him some extra money in FA.

 

Yes it's clearly the TDs that seperate the two

How about people are comparing probably the WR with the best balance in the league to Hartline. That is hilarious.

 

league minimun + 1 million per TD?

 

One of Irelands biggest critics, now over promoting Brian Hartline to set up a " Ireland's too dumb to keep the guy I blamed him for a month ago ".... good stuff. What happened to Brandon Lloyd ? You'd think McDaniels would get the best out of him again, especially with Tom Brady. Nope.... That offense doesnt feature perimeter WRs like Hartline. Let him go to New England for 6-7 mil a year. I dont mind. Now Bess, that's a different story.

 

Watch it happen, that's all I say.

 

I honestly don't see either of those as likely.
$6M won't happen for an inconsistent, non playmaking, 1 TD per year receiver who breaks 1k yards during a season where he's essentially one of two receivers catching passes. CK's full assessment of his value was darn near spot on IMO.

A healthy 27 year old Greg Jennings might get 10M/yr. A 30 year old Jennings who has missed 13 starts the past 2 years is probably in the $7.5M ballpark. Something like 4yr $30M.

 

Interesting thing, the same things were said when Welker was traded after we low ball tagged him for 2.5 million or so.

They both had similar career arcs save for Bline playing more when he first got into the league, but Welker also handled punts.

Welker went for 600 yds, 1 td 10 ypc avg, not even Bline's numbers from this year.

 

Welker runs different routes from BLine, but with their weapons you can pretty much count on single coverage on the inside which is a mismatch.

 

If you can't visually see the difference between Welker & Hartline, then I can't help you Pods. There are some guys who simply are not scorers. Hartline has shown to be one of them. Welker can make plays with the ball in his hands and doesn't get tripped up by an uncut blade of grass.

 

Anyone who gives Jennings a contract worth around 10M per season is just basing it on name recognition alone and did not watch a player who had 28/246/2TD in an injury riddled season with one of the top 3 QB's throwing the ball his way. Sorry but Jennings is NOT worth 10M. I question how much better then Hartline he actually is at this stage. They should probably try and keep Hartline at around 5-5.5M per and get Wallace or Bowe. If Jennings wants to come for something reasonable 2-3 years at 6-7M per Id take a gamble depending on the guaranteed money. Otherwise take Wallace or Bowe, resign Hartline and draft a WR early on.

 

Jennings has had one real injury this season, and he's looked good the past two weeks. I don't really see him as an injury concern. The only issue is age, but I think he still has around 3 good years left.

 

Same could have been said of Welker who had fewere Td's than Hartline when he went to NE.