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Miami Dolphins New logo/uniforms Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rocky Raccoon, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    <There's no helmet on the new logo BTW so that doesn't apply>
    Just so I'm clear you're saying that b/c the new logo has one design flaw it's ok to pile on others? :p
     
  2. Jt0323

    Jt0323 Fins Up! Luxury Box

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    The rumored logo eye is not all white. It has a navy front to it


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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Huh?

    Let's not get to far away from what happened.
    You and your pappy were making bizarre claims about dolphins and their positions relative to natural and frolicking. They were contradictory so i questioned them. Instead of defending your foolishness, you tried to make it an argument about the sun. That was disappointing, because it was weak sauce. Very weak sauce. So weak, i couldn't even tell there was any sauce used.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Ziami does not start with an "M". You're stoopid.
     
  5. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Ok, doesn't mean it looks good on a logo
     
  6. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

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    I was just pointing out a possible reason for the position of the dolphin being the way it is in the leaked logo, and giving evidence with the pictures. Show us a dolphin jumping with a helmet on it.
     
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  7. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    [​IMG][​IMG]
    look a dolphin can do these poses, let's use them for the logo:knucks:
     
  8. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Cmon man, you're the one who made the irrelevant statement about what a dolphin looks like playing under water when in fact the dolphin in the logo is jumping, as in- out of water, as in- not playing under water. So if there was a claim that was contradictory and full of weak sauce, it was yours. The dolphin in our logo is jumping in front of the sun, so he should recognizably look like he's jumping IMO.
     
  9. SICK

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    Miami Dolphins New Logo Thread

    I find all of those cheesy, yes.
     
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  10. Fin D

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    Lol, you've lost just stop cause its sad now.

    Let's recap, shall we:

    You bring up what a dolphin should look like swimming and jumping here:
    Your pappy thanked your post then chimed in with:
    To which you thanked his post and I asked, based on those two posts:
    Now, by all means show me where I brought up what the natural state of a dolphin swimming or frolicking is in regards to his tail position.

    <Insert Jeopardy music>

    That's right...I didn't.
     
  11. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

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    We could suggest them, if you'd like. We can't put this on a helmet: [​IMG]

    However, I'm sure flipper would do this to you in the endzone when Miami scores, phinsational. Better hope it's a low scoring year buddy.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Flipper isn't in a tank anymore in the open end of the Orange Bowl. That ended in the late 60s and we moved from the Orange Bowl in the mid 80s. Try to keep up ok?
     
  13. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I thanked his post b/c he said he hates the logo but supposes he'll have to get used to it but doubts he'll ever like it.



    I pointed out the more natural state of his bodily posture while jumping is arched downward. You then entered your straw man argument via the following post:
    Nobody said jumping is the more natural state for dolphins than swimming like your strawman argument is trying to allude. If you want to make him look like he's swimming then that would put the sun underwater, which doesn't seem very natural. The fact remains the dolphin is jumping with the sun behind it. Period. That's the logo. What I'm talking about is the more natural state of the action involved (jumping in this case), not the more natural state of the dolphin. Capiche?
     
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  14. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

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    Bringing back tradition my friend, tradition.
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I don't care why you thanked his post or he thanked yours. I only brought it up, so it was understood you each read each other's posts so you both knew exactly what the other was saying.


    It wasn't a strawman. it was pointing out the contradictory nature of your and Clean's stances to one another.

    Aside from that, you're wrong about the jumping position. If anything they should be pointing down with their nose and tail parallel to the water. That's when a dolphin is all business jumping out of the water and what they do most often when they jump. The position of the old logo is what they do when they're having fun while waiting in line to see the next Twilight movie.

    And you cannot get into a literal argument about the sun and dolphin if you prefer the version with a dolphin wearing a helmet. Well you can, but its stoopid and it will make everyone dumber if you try, and people like Boik can't afford that.
     
  16. NolesNPhinsFan

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    Going waay back to the logo leaked by DolFansNYC, what were those squiggly lines around the logo itself?
     
  17. Fin D

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    Spidey sense.
     
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  18. ToddPhin

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    If prefer a more traditional version b/c it's closer to the original just as many people have respect and admiration for classic cars even though they might not look as cool as the newer models. My criticism is, if you want to ditch the helmet & cortoony look for something that's more realistic, then why would you want the dolphin appearing in a less natural state while he's jumping? It sounds like your argument is, "I only want the dolphin to look natural when it applies to what I want in the logo".
     
  19. CANDolphan

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    I like the new modern look. I think tradition is for scared old people. I think you have to just live your life. Go have fun. Do what you do. Go with what feels and looks right.
     
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  20. Jt0323

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    Just a rough draft, pencil outlines and stuff nothing important


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  21. Vinny Fins

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    I'll say it again. Win some damn games and nobody will care what the logo looks like.


    How many Dolphins fans wouldnt buy an AFC Championship or perish the thought SUPERBOWL TShirt because it has the new logo?

    Spare me.

    and if you say "No, I wouldnt buy anything to remember that superbowl with because of the logo" You are a LIAR. End of story.
     
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  22. Fin D

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    1. There is nothing traditional about the current logo. The logo you're arguing in favor of based on tradition changed 15 years ago. The change between the current logo and the old one is as big as the change from the current one to the leaked one. So your tradition argument is silly, unfounded and 15 years too late.

    2. I'm not arguing for a more realistic dolphin. I hated the current logo and the ones before it, because the old ones were poorly done and the helmet is stupid and the current one because (even though it was well done on a technical level), the helmet and its too cartoony. Cartoony doesn't mean not realistic enough, just childish. Our logo does not fit with the other NFL logos as is or in the past. The leaked one doesn't either but at least its not wearing a ridiculous helmet and its not cartoony.

    3. The ways in which we as a species choose to honor tradition is stupid. Logos by their nature have to adapt to the times. They are the last thing, tradition, should be placed on.
     
  23. ToddPhin

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    I can speak for myself when saying you're wrong in your assumption that people like MrClean & myself are afraid of change just b/c we like tradition. Joy of tradition does not = fear of change. I for one am not afraid of change; I actually embrace it, enjoy the challenges often associated with it, and have likely experienced more change than most in this forum, and I know MrClean is the furthest from a "scared old person", as scared people don't willfully pack their bags and move around the country or around the world to experience change. With that said, in an ever-changing world it's nice to have some things that maintain the essence of tradition.

    I think you have it backward BTW; I think the desire for logo & uniform change is for people who are too scared to change anything about their normal lives, hence using a logo/uni change as an outlet to experience change.
     
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  24. Fin D

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    Yeah...no.

    There's been plenty of studies about people and their difficulty with the acceptance of change. There's been plenty of real world sports logo changes to also back up what we're saying about traditionalists.

    You personally may not be scared of change but much of the resistance to a new logo is squarely in that wheelhouse.
     
  25. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Wrong, I'm not arguing in favor of the current logo/uni. I'm arguing in favor of reverting back to a traditional one. I'm arguing that we've already spent TOO MUCH TIME diverting away from tradition that it's time to finally revisit it for a goddam change. Bottom line is there will always be people wanting change, and there will always be people wanting to maintain tradition. Unfortunately, not everyone who supports modern change will be happy with the results b/c not everyone shares the same vision of it, whereas every fan who is ok with a traditional look will be ok if we revert back to one, and most fans who want a modern look can still empathize with going traditional since it's a part of our history.

    Agree to disagree when it pertains to NFL football. All you're doing is changing for change. It doesn't serve an ounce of purpose. Teams don't need to change logos to keep with the times and prevent customers from jumping ship to the competition as fans love their teams unconditionally. We're not talking about Nike vs Reebok here. If you wanna experience change, then change something in your mundane normal life and take pride in leaving the uniform & logo sacred and traditional. Who cares if the original logo design unrealistically features a helmet on a dolphin?! That's what easily makes it one of the most unique & identifiable logos in sports.
     
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  26. ToddPhin

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    Those studies pertain to legitimate real life change, not stuff like changing nail polish colors or team logos. That's why changing a uniform or logo is appealing for many b/c it represents an opportunity to experience change w/o actually having to undergo change. It's a way to break up monotony just like a hair cut does, and just like a hair cut they'll grow tired of the new logo change and seek another superficial change in a few years. Personally, I'd rather avoid that endless carousel and stay with a timeless traditional logo. You think Oz & Clean are afraid of actual change? I don't. Most of the people in this forum supporting a traditional logo/uni are people who aren't afraid of real life change. Again, pride in certain tradition and the desire to respect one's roots does not = fear of change, so please stop with that nonsense. I'd like to see you tell Eastern World countries that their joy & pride in tradition is b/c they're unnaccepting of change. :unsure:


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    Tradition does not = desire for routine due to fear of change
    For most of us tradition entails stuff like respect, loyalty, homage, remembrance, a bond between past & present, etc.
    Now tell me what a change to a new, modern logo entails.
     
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  27. Colorado Dolfan

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    So basically, you're arguing against change for the sake of change to change back to the original logo, for the sake of change? Seriously?

    Unless you honestly believe that changing the logo back to its original is going to help this team win more games, tradition doesn't help ****. Use the traditional logo as an honorific throwback uniform and move the **** forward...
     
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  28. Justright

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    I like the past, current, and future logos. As long as they don't change the color to pink and portray two Dolphins sucking each other off I'm fine with it.
     
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  29. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    Tell me that when you're 50. Then you can walk in those shoes.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Kind of proves his point
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Tradition is also an excuse for having something that isn't that good.
     
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    If you find any of that derogaroty and or infantile, you need thicker skin my friend. The problem I had was with you saying it was a slap in the face to the 72 Dolphins to change colors and or logos. The 1972 Dolphins have done nothing but "spit" on the Dolphins for the last few years. And my Patriot uniform change theory was meant to be ridiculous as it looks. Look, in the end, some people will like it, some people will hate it. I love the team. Old logo, new logo, new colors, same colors. As long as it's the Miami Dolphins, I'm happy. Yeesh. Testy in here.
     
  33. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    WOWWW, your comprehension ability desperately needs some work.

    You say that like you believe changing the logo to something entirely new and away from tradition does help ****. lol

    LOL. What the hell are you moving forward to? You're not moving forward to crap. You're just changing something to change it, which is significantly more useless than a desire for a traditional look b/c it involves an actual cause. Name me the list of positives involving this "moving forward" you speak of. Will it make us win? No. Will it bring in considerably more money? No. Will it pack the stands? No. Will it leave us with no desire to change again in a few years? No. Nothing. Unlike the desire for a traditional look, it's purely superficial.
     
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  34. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    That's not what 54Fins is saying IMO. I took it as he's saying the opposite, that tradition has nothing to do with being scared when you get older.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    So if you look at the design on the helmet and the rumor that the helmet itself will get a whole new redesign, that would be awesome and maybe fill out the helmet more with this new logo, and just make the helmet itself look cooler, the all white with the orange strip can get better.

    http://postimg.org/image/dtz3oyd87/
     
  36. ToddPhin

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    Sorry, that's not the mindset at all. Those who respect and take pride in tradition care more about the tradition itself than a desire to superficially improve aesthetics or whatever. What you're supporting is akin to marrying an overweight girl and then subsequently telling her she's not good enough for you unless she drops 5 sizes.
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    ....and the fan base hasn't?
     
  38. Alex44

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    Right, but as I said before tradition is not about being stuck in the past or even remaining the same. The important thing is to REMEMBER tradition and respect it. When you get caught in history you fail to create your own.
     
  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nope, if you look at the new logo on that helmet, it's just not right imo, it's to feminen man, it's the only way to say it.its not that I want to be all macho or im not comfortable with my sexuality, but I don't think you can have a feminen looking logo, just doesn't work.

    I don't see how this is not considered an absolute drastic change..
     
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  40. Alex44

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    I don't see what is feminine about it unless you think nature is girly...it looks like a real Dolphin. One of the most intelligent and interesting species in the world.

    It is a drastic change for sure, I agree there.
     
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