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The Official 2013 Miami Marlins Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Mainge, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Anonymous

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    He'll re-sign easy. He just can't because we aren't offering him anything. Tough to agree to a contract that doesn't exist.
     
  2. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    I don't agree that he's gone no matter what but to say he'll re-sign easy is equally silly.

    We don't know what he wants or what he's going to do.
     
  3. Anonymous

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    I don't what he wants but I do know 80 million dollars will make anyone say yes.
     
  4. Mainge

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    Not if it's coming either way.

    If he turns down an extension, he'll be traded within a week. He'll get that money either way. He knows this.
     
  5. Anonymous

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    We don't know if he gets traded in a week, though. For all we know, they'll keep him until he hits arbitration.
     
  6. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Which is after this season.
     
  7. Anonymous

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    Exactly. He could suffer a career ending injury in the next 5 months. If he's offered a contract, I doubt he refuses to accept in hoping they trade him then.
     
  8. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    I think that's crazy wishful thinking. If he doesn't want to be here, he's not going to sign when he is so close to getting money. I'd agree with you a year or two ago. Not now.

    If worse comes to worst, he can do what he's done the last few days and milk an injury. To say he's easily re-signed is laughable.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    It's far from crazy wishful thinking or laughable. It's logic. He's 5 months away from arbitration. He's not going to milk an injury for 5 straight months.

    If the team offers him 80 million GUARANTEED tomorrow, 90% chance he's accepting. He won't decline and risk never seeing that money again just to leave this team.
     
  10. Mainge

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    Okay.
     
  11. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    80 million isn't even market value on arb/FA buyout contracts. He's got too much service time.

    Jesus, come on.
     
  12. Anonymous

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    I was going off Carlos Gonzalez's last contract.

    Please, if you have a better example, share it. But my point still stands. Don't get so upset because someone disagrees with you. It's allowed to happen.
     
  13. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    I'm not upset. We have these little battles often.

    I win them.
     
  14. Anonymous

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    Who is your example. If not Carlos Gonzalez, then?
     
  15. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Stanton is already into year 4. Gonzalez just finished year 3. Stanton 93 homeruns. That's 42 homeruns more than CarGo had when he signed his deal right before arbitration. If Stanton has his usual power year, we're talking ~75 more. If Stanton has the kind of year everyone thinks he can have, we're talking 85-90 more.

    That's important because the arbitrators get off on power numbers. Stanton is set to earn much more through arbitration than Gonzalez would have. This is going to drive it up.

    We're not even talking about inflation yet.
     
  16. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    For what it's worth, human calculator Lou thinks Stanton is going to get $300m on the open market if he becomes a free agent at 26.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    Ok. So then scratch the 80 million guaranteed, and make that figure 100 million guaranteed. Whatever number you choose. It only makes my point stronger. He will accept that easy. That's too much money for him to decline just to leave this team.
     
  18. Mainge

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    Agree to disagree.
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    I think all of this is might be a bit of a moot point as I don't think the Marlins will even offer Stanton an extension and if they do I think it will be a fair offer but one they know he'll turn down so for a PR stand point they can turn around and tell the fan base hey look we at least tried blame him for not wanting to be here.
     
  20. Anonymous

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    Loria did say he's not going to. I don't remember the reason.
     
  21. Mainge

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    Because he's under control for 3 more seasons.
     
  22. Anonymous

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    Was that his exact reasoning, or are you thinking it is?
     
  23. Mainge

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    I'm fairly sure that's what he told the media.

    FUN FACT! Miami is last in runs scored with 20. Tampa is second-to-last with 33.
     
  24. dolfan32323

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    Fish tank was definitely great. Those seats were only like 5 bucks. Can't beat that.
     
  25. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    I was there tonight. Had a blast when we scored 2 runs in one inning.
     
  26. Anonymous

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    I can't even enjoy watching the prospects this team has in the minor leagues/major leagues because most of them are injured. Yelich, Marisnick, Ozuna, Silverio, Heaney and Eovaldi are all injured.
     
  27. Mainge

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    Dietrich
     
  28. Anonymous

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    As well as Turner, Nicolino and Conely.

    I just wish they could all be healthy.

    Speaking of prospects Mainge, I have a question regarding Yelich. Who is a good comparison for Yelich? I like him as a prospect, but there are things about his game that bother me. He doesn't seem to have much power for an outfielder. And I've read he's more of a 1B/LF than a natural Outfielder.
     
  29. Mainge

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    Brian Flynn is having a nice start.

    I'm not real sure of a comparison. He doesn't have great power but he's a really skinny dude and should be able to fill out some. I've read that scouts think that he could hit 20-25 HR's and that seems about right. He's supposed to be quite fast though, so I imagine he'll have plenty of doubles and triples.

    I don't know a ton about his defense other than his arm sucks. He's been playing a lot of CF but he's going to be a LFer with us. I think with his supposed athleticism, he'll be good out there.

    My concern with him as a prospect is that his numbers in the minor leagues have been helped a lot by really high BABIPS that most likely aren't sustainable at the big league level. I'm guessing he's a .270/.350/.450 type player that plays good defense and runs the bases well. If he ever get some meat on him, who knows? Look at these arms!

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    How the hell did he have 12 homeruns in Jupiter, of all places.
     
  30. Mainge

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    That homerun total is fairly indicative of the kind of power he generates. He hit 12 homeruns in 400 at bats in a very pitcher friendly league. Extrapolating that number over a full 650 at-bat MLB season gives him 19-20. He's definitely not Stanton but he's not Juan Pierre either.
     
  31. Alex44

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    This is like every season except 97 and 06 (and I guess 2012?) all over again. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
     
  32. Mainge

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    03*

    But no, we've been largely competitive over the last 6 years. This team is awful.
     
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  33. Alex44

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    Oh god why did I say 04. Something else must have happened that year I'd be thinking of....


    I guess it's fair to say we've been competitive. Honestly though...I always felt like I knew they'd fall short. They were never good enough teams (well for the most part) to be seriously threatening to anyone....we were just good enough not to be bad.

    This team is terrible though. Jose F will post an ERA around 3 something and have a losing record. Sad..
     
  34. Mainge

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    Well, you actually said 06. Soo..

    Maybe you should sit the next few plays out.
     
  35. Mainge

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    I disagree. Those teams were another legitimate pitcher away from being playoff teams.
     
  36. Alex44

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    Possibly. They didn't have that pitcher though and even with that pitcher they needed another consistent bat. Injuries, very streaky hitters, huge slumps, always held those lineups back. How many great pitching performances did they waste? How many blown saves? Stupid errors?

    I loved those teams and they were pretty good but always short of what I'd call a playoff contender so more like...a playoff hopeful. In other words one you think has a chance...but not a strong one.


    Regardless.....this team is awful. I feel like 1999 or 2000 all over again.
     
  37. Mainge

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    I don't agree with much of what you're saying
     
  38. Alex44

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    Which is fine. If you felt they were legitimate playoff contenders that is fine.

    71-91
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    I mean there were two good years in there I guess you could say we were a piece away. The rest? Not to me.
     
  39. Mainge

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    Yeah. Those are fine without context. The years below 80 wins are the result of significant rotation injuries.

    Regardless of your opinion, those teams were close. Maybe not last year but certainly before that. Certainly much closer than what's going on right now, which was my original point.
     
  40. Desides

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    Oh, well, that makes it all better. :pity:

    I have to emotionally check out from this season now.
     

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