NFL.com. are the patriots vulnerable?.. Ellerbe chimes in.

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  1. GMJohnson

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  2. finyank13

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    Apparently we have the Aaron Hernandez's of the world running around here stooooooopid!!!!

    Unfortunately I am not near the touristy sections....wish I was....
     
  3. finyank13

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    You got me GM!!
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You could absolutely be correct, and for the record, because I wouldn't say another team is vulnerable in a public forum doesn't mean I'm scared or would play scared.
     
  5. djphinfan

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    I think the point their trying to make is you have to take the mentality of pure honesty when it comes to how you feel, if your thinking about censoring your answers your already losing the battle.?
     
  6. rafael

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    No, it's about the way you answered. "Brady will remember"...he'll be "angry". I don't know how anybody can think that doesn't sound scared.
     
  7. rafael

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    And nothing Ellerbe or any Dolphin player has said this off-season has been disrespectful of another NFL team or player (Wallace made that stupid comment regarding the basketball player, but that's irrelevant here). There's simply nothing to criticize here yet people act as if they've done something wrong.
     
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  8. finyank13

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    Every interview is censored....a large majority of sports players don't actually say it 100% how they want...
     
  9. djphinfan

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    It's not being scared, respect more like it, I answered that for what I know is true, he does remember, he does listen to player comments, it's knowing how he gets himself intrinsically motivated, he feeds off stuff like this, the man finds any edge he can, so if I can give him nothing and go about my business with my own team who has underachieved against them, I'm going to kill him with quiet confidence, a more silent rage if you will..
     
  10. Fin D

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    Prove any of that.
     
  11. djphinfan

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    I would agree with you about everyone else's comments and that the media has tried to portray us as talking a lot, I just don't like this one, I just don't want our players commenting on another's teams business, that's it.

    Reporter...Do you think the pats are vunerable.

    Me.."I don't know, and I don't care, if we take care of us, we can beat anybody."
     
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  12. djphinfan

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    I've heard Tom Brady on local Boston radio many times talk about bullet board material..I've read their fansite forums where it is common knowledge that he pays attention, and finds his edge thru it..

    Now does it matter when you got cam wake and Dion Jordan coming after you, no, but can it sharpen a certains players focus, I think so, I think playing with anger is the right way to play.
     
  13. Fin D

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    Prove this is bulletin board material as it was spoken. If Brady is going to manufacture anger over this, then he can manufacture it over a player merely reading his own grocery list, in which case, there's literally no need to be careful.

    Think about it, if this get's Brady focused, then ANY statement about ANYTHING can.
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not sure how anyone can dispute the negative connotation in saying a team is "vulnerable". That doesn't make it a big deal, but it certainly isn't at the bottom of the totem pole of bulletin board material.
     
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  15. Fin D

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    The Pats have to drink water or they'll die. (Oh noooooooo, I just pissed off Brady!!!!!!!!!)
     
  16. djphinfan

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    Yeah I don't see that as being the same, I think being told by a person on a team who you continually beat that they are vulnerable can be taken personally.
     
  17. Fin D

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    Anything can be taken personally.

    Not drinking water or you'll die is being vulnerable.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    Not analogous.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    No, compliments cannot be taken personally. Which is why you see the best enterprises in the world go out of their way to compliment their competition. They want to create complacency, not get someone's attention. PR 101.
     
  20. Fin D

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    Absolutely is. Having to drink water to survive is a vulnerability, its a weakness.
     
  21. Fin D

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    Sure they can. You ever spoke to a woman?

    Every entity is vulnerable. Its a fact of life. The Pats are not perfect. If they weren't vulnerable they wouldn't field a defensive squad.
     
  22. Stringer Bell

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    It applies equally to everyone. Why pick one entity out of everyone?
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    I don't disagree. That doesn't mean its best to say it to the media.
     
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  24. Fin D

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    What difference does it make? I mean he was asked about a specific entity.

    If someone asked me about you, and I said he must eat food or he dies...would you be insulted? No. If you were that would be your problem for taking a fact of life so personal.
     
  25. Fin D

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    There is no "best thing" to say to the media. He quantified what he said more than once proving it wasn't an insult.

    Would you rather our players just say "no comment" or be kept from the media, so they turn on the organization like they did during the Saban/Parcells years?

    Every last one of you making a deal out of this have been willingly manipulated by the media.
     
  26. finyank13

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    Yes I dont need to know what goes on, just give me W's.....I don't care about inside the locker room, what they say in meetings, how they think, none of it...it has no bearing on the outcome of the game if I or you know.....I don't need transparency I am not a shareholder....

    Just. Say. Nothing.

    Like Slick's Sig....Silence is effing golden.....true indeed....
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    Thats what they should say privately. Thats not what they should say to the media.
     
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  28. Fin D

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    And they didn't, so its moot.
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, that would be ideal for the team. Unfortunately its too unpopular among everyone else.

    And there absolutely is a "best thing" to say to the media. Its the thing that gives them zero opportunity to run with a statement and try to manufacture something.

    Its not a big deal. That doesn't mean people can't have the opinion that he could have said something better. If there was an article about Ellerbe eating a meal at McDonalds, I would say thats not a big deal, but I would prefer if he never ate fast food.

    And I'm certainly not manipulated by the media, I just understand how they will take comments like this and use it to manipulate others. As it stands now, the week Miami plays the Patriots, we will most likely hear questions regarding this. The media thrives from creating controversy, and this just gives them an opportunity - albeit small - to do so. Seriously, how can anyone not think someone like Armando Salguero would ask Tom Brady how he feels about Ellerbe saying the Patriots are vulnerable? Its served up on a platter now.
     
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  30. Fin D

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    So then following your logic out, it would just be better if people weren't involved at all, and it was just robots?

    You are manipulated by the media if you think his statements were a mistake. Hell, you think they were enough of a mistake that you're here arguing them. That is exactly what they wanted you to do. They wanted you to tout it as a mistake, so they could bring it up later.
     
  31. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, actually the people who deal with the media the best are usually referred to as robotic.

    They don't care about my reaction. They care about the reaction from the players. They want to ask Tom Brady "how do you feel about Ellerbe saying you are vulnerable?", and they want Tom Brady to say something inflammatory. Then they want to take Brady's comment back to Ellerbe and see what he says. Then they want to take all those sound-bytes and put them on TV and talk about the "disrespect" and "bad blood", etc.
     
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  32. Fin D

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    Then what's the point of even caring about the sport if the human element is removed?



    Lol. That would mean the media is around for the news makers and not for the public that consumes it. That makes no sense on any level.
     
  33. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    The week Miami plays the Patriots, this non-story will be nowhere to be found. Especially if the Patriots are struggling and Miami is doing well.
     
  34. unluckyluciano

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    complacency is created by inner pressures. Not outer.
     
  35. Stringer Bell

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    I don't consider Q&A's a sport. When they're on the field, I don't care what they say either.

    What exactly do you think the public wants to consume? They want controversy, they want back and forth trash talking. Why the hell do you think Rex Ryan is on TV so much?
     
  36. unluckyluciano

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    Yes but peoples reactions to what is said should be within reason. The question isn't what he said, it's what is the impact. This statement, little to no impact.
     
  37. Fin D

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    That's my point, you only want robots to play the game, because you're clearly not interested in the human element.

    What difference does a controversy make if people like you aren't paying attention to it? None. If people weren't reading this crap and getting behind it 100%, then there wouldn't be any need to create this faux drama. Its exactly people with your mentality that thinks this was a mistake that gives legs to 'controversy".
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    I agree. I think it will have very little impact. My point here is that I would prefer if there was 0 impact. Again, not a big deal, but not my preference because these things can escalate and become a small distraction.
     
  39. Stringer Bell

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    I'm absolutely interested in the human element of them playing the game. I don't want to watch a talk show or a soap opera.


    The difference it makes is if Ellerbe has to talk or think about it again.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    Most likely, yes.
     

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