I'm not trying to play Devil's Advocate or anything...but RT always looks right when he farts. What concerns me about the locker room stuff is that usually, when there is smoke, there is some modicum of fire. Hopefully it is nothing. And no Tea Party jokes? I want my money back.
Every QB does. Marino used to and admits to it, saying he new he could get it in there..evey QB locks on. It's how often they don't do it that counts. and he is improving
It wasn't my post, it was Muck's, sooooooooo yeah. And yes, I think a QB can in fact look around without moving his head and it mean he isn't staring down his receivers. If you have the All-22 footage and you're rewinding and tracking receivers and safeties, then sure you'd have a better idea of where the QB is looking, but you're not doing that accurately with broadcast footage in realtime.
Good point. And I would agree that Tannehill is improving at that based on yesterday's game, best part of the game to me.
To be clear, I was being silly. I don't think he's locking on. At least not in the general connotation of the term. He's improved off of last season. - sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 beta -
Just a point of information... it would be hard to scan 25 yards in each direction and see it all with much detail in the peripherals. However, a QB doesn't need too. All they need to do is locate 11 guys on the field... and 6-8 of them are in front of him on any given play. When looking in a peripheral, all he needs to do is glance and locate 1 or 2 players post snap to see what their doing to identify the coverage... and he makes all of his decisions from there. I have zero context for that picture. However, if I had to guess, it looks like in this picture that his first read in his progression was to the right... and this is him holding the safety with his head in the middle of the field (since a safety cant see actual pupil direction from 25 yards away while running). And if so, that's pretty cool to see your young QB doing right off the bat in the first game of his 2nd season...
I don't think I agree w/ this. Faster to move your eyes than your head. In that photo his eyes are all the way to the right. Can't be more than the blink of an eye to move them all the way to the left. Additionally, I'm sure that good QB's can largely predict where defenders will be based on the position of other defenders, or at least narrow down the options considerably.
I was using your posts as an example- I don't notice that stuff at the bottom. And in the post in question the emboldened, increased letter sized words were so far down the post that I disregarded them as I do the stuff at the bottom of your posts. If you think that you, or NFL Quarterbacks for that matter, are scanning entire fields that are over fifty yards wide by darting their eyes back and forth as opposed to turning their heads, you're deluding yourself.
Try it yourself- NFL football fields are over 53 yards wide- dart your eyes back and forth and see if you could effectively see what's going on over that horizontal distance to the point that you could read Safeties and diagnose coverages. Not gonna happen, and your eyeballs will probably hurt after trying.
First of all, what is this mystery "garbage" that I post waaaaaaaay down at the end of my posts? Secondly, you're just plain wrong. I suggest you watch the TD pass to Hartline again, then watch the PC with Tannehill talking about that play. his head doesn't move yet he knows exactly what happened with both guys wghich according to you would be flat out impossible since they were on opposite sides of the field.
Not so sure about that- Safeties disguise coverages pre-snap, a QB has to see what's going on after the snap. The bottom line is simple- QBs, especially the very good ones, turn their heads to read coverages, they don't just dart their eyes back and forth. Again, try it yourself and imagine reading coverages over a 50 plus yard span without turning your head- not gonna happen, at least effectively.
Again, like I said... post snap all he has to do is locate 1 to 2 players with his peripherals. He doesn't have to be able see what color their gloves are or read the defender's number or anything... he just has to find him. Similar to when driving how you can find a car with your mirrors with a glance and know where they're going and roughly know where they are based on your feel for your surroundings. He knows roughly where their going to be anyway, just has to take a glance post snap to see if his pre-snap read was correct or not, and what those DBs are doing. There's only a couple of things that DB can end up doing, so he just needs to see which one it ends up being. Now, processing all of that information and making split second decisions based on that information is the crazy part... lol.
He knows where his receivers are supposed to do on every play of course, but what he doesn't know is what the Safeties are doing- and the CBs and LBs for that matter- the point of this whole issue is whether your picture is definitive evidence of QBs scannning the field with just their eyeballs, hidden from television view, as opposed to turning their heads to read defenses and scan the field. And it isn't, by any means. As to the Hartline play, there's nothing impossible or contradictory at all relative to my point- there will always be plays like that- Tannehill knew where his receivers were supposed to be and threw without scanning- again, that's a separate issue from what you're talking about as per the photo. As to your first question, which is pretty much irrelevant, let me spell it out for you- I never notice your wording "Desperados of Filth" and "Don Santo Douche", which could be a Mexican feminine hygiene product for all I know. Muck's words at the bottom of his post were so far below the first part of his post that I didn't notice them, I thought that it was a personalized message or whatever like your stuff, skeletal covered sombrero included. I'm looking at this stuff closely for the first time as we speak, I never really noticed it before, just glance over it.
Dude- post snap these are moving parts and plays develop, the pieces on a chess board move. My point is that I don't see a QB reading, reacting and deciphering all this over a fifty plus yard vertical span without turning his head. That is the point. Tannehill darting his eyes in a still photo- one in which my best guess is that he's looking off a LB or in the box Safety, is definitive proof of absolutely nothing as per what the OP is trying to claim.
Lie: Some fans that have 44,000+ posts have a clue as to what they are watching when they see the Dolphins play. Truth: Some fans with 44,000+ posts are clueless. A) Not a mention of who was truly the player of the game on offense named Brian Hartline, shameful. A player someone, whom shall go nameless, claimed Miami shouldn't resign Hartline for $5-6 million per year because Hartline can't score TDs. I guess when someone creates hundreds if not a thousand posts in the off season how Miami shouldn't re-sign Brian Hartline, let Reggie Bush and Jake Long walk as well to save face is to ignore the obvious and claim it was the QB who won the game . B) Hartline is Tannehill's security blanket. Tannehill throwing to Hartline (9 of 15, 114 yards, 1 TD...106.9 QB rating). Tannehill not throwing to Hartline (15 of 23, 158 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int...66.93 QB rating). C) Reggie Bush should been resigned. Reggie Bush: 21 carries, 90 yards, 4.3 ypc...4 cachtes, 101 yards, 25.25 ypc...1 TD Lamar Miller: 10 carries, 3 yards, .3 ypc...1 catch, 7 yards, 7 ypc D) Letting Jake Long walk was a poor decision. Miami OL: 4 Sacks allowed, .9 ypc, 6.7 ypp StL OL: 0 Sacks allowed, 2.8 ypc, 7.9 ypp
I'm guessing you didn't watch the PC. He explains what's happening with the coverage after the snap and why he didn't go to Wallace which shouldn't be possible according to you. And the actual point of contention is being able to tell if a QB is locking on to receivers through broadcast TV in realtime. If its already been proven that Tannehill can scan the field form one side to the other without moving his head, like in the TD pass, then there's even less way to discern which receiver he's looking at if they are multiple receivers anywhere from the middle to one side. FTR (for the record), that stuff is what's known as a sig or signature. And also FTR, numerous people on these boards have signatures of varying sizes and have since the board's inception. The fact that you don't really pay attention to them or notice them (all on a static page not moving in 3 seconds or less) or even know what they are called, should illustrate to you the folly of people being a 100% sure of that they think they see. that was my point about that.
Golly, I bet you think you made nice little forum gotcha. Too bad at 8:11 this morning (14+ hours ago), this happened and it ruined your big pathetic moment: PS it was probably post 44,125ish maybe. You know, since you care about my post numbers so much. So settle down there champ. If Hartline turns around his professional career long inability to score consistently, I will change my tune and obviously said as much before you got done jerking off to the thought of getting revenge on this forum. I'm not blind immovable object hellbent on one and only thought regardless of all the contrary evidence...that would be you.
There is nothing worse than someone who brings post count into an argument. It literally has nothing to do with anyone's opinions or knowledge.
I understand your point as to the stuff at the bottom of posts, it's just a lousy point. As to your first paragraph, which is at least relevant, I'd have to see that play again to really comment on it. The central point remains- I'm not discounting the use of peripheral vision, what I am saying is this: a Quarterback is going to turn his head side to side to read defensive coverages and see where his receivers are over the course of a game, and he's going to do it often. On any given play can he look off a receiver and come right back to him? Sure. Case in point I would guess, without seeing the replay, the Hartline pass that you referred to. But is a Quarterback going to scan the field over the course of a game with just darting his eyes back and forth, not turning his head? No. I like what Tannehill is doing in that picture, the problem is that you tried to take it to far. It doesn't prove what you want it to, not even close. What it does show is some deception and caginess on Tannehill's part, and that's a good thing.
A) Hartline was, and always has been, money. Nobody disputes that. 1 TD on the year though? That is kinda sad, especially considering how many balls he caught. Everybody likes/dislikes a particular player or players for specific reasons...sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. Nobody's 100%. Get over yourself. B) See A. C) Did he do that here? Yes/No? Doesn't matter. Put him behind our O line's week 1 performance and he gets pretty close to Miller's numbers...maybe even loses more yards dancing. This coaching staff does what they do, they didn't envision him the same way Detroit does, if they should leave instead, hmm... D) Ya man...that Jake plays all 5 positions...BIG mistake. Where's your stats on how Jake did himself? 1 or 2 of those sacks were on Tanny, even as bad as the line was. And 2.8 YPC, WHOA...party time in Saint Louie! My bad though...raw numbers ALWAYS tell the whole story...what was I thinking? I should've just used your post count as a basis for an ignorant personal attack. I'll get there. Using your ignore feature would ease some of the turmoil you're going through seeing others' posts.
Blah, blah, blah. If that is your point, then you've changed it through the course of this argument, because this was what I was arguing: ...and how anyone cannot tell that from broadcast TV in realtime.
Careful, Phin. With this one, raw numbers tell the whole story if it suits his point, if it suits the fact that Hartline was a poor #1 receiver then he'll whine and cry and hold grudges to the point where he doesn't post for a long time until he thinks he can get a gotcha.
I do understand, but in shotgun or in a 5 or 7 step drop the QB is going to look side to side. I dont buy at all the notion that darting eyes can take the place of turning heads to see what's going on. Watch film of Marino, Manning or any QB that is good at scanning the field and you'll see their head turning, bottom line. I was happy to see Tannehill do a better job yesterday of not locking on to his receivers. I liked seeing his darting eyes in that photo. But again, the subject is the point made in the OP: "4. LIE: Tannehill locks on to receivers too much. TRUTH: This is a two stage lie. The first stage is that its a lie ANYONE can tell where a QB is looking using broadcast footage. You cannot do it. raf cannot do it. CK cannot do it. Joe Montana cannot do it. The ghost of Vince Lombardi cannot do it. The reason is that you cannot see the QB's eyes front he camera angles they use, nor can you see the receivers once they are out of frame. If you cannot see the eyes nor can you see the target, you cannot tell where someone is looking. Case in point: No one can watch the broadcast footage and tell that Tannehill was looking to his right. The stage 2 lie is that Tannehill does this too much. Obviously since Stage 1 is a lie, there's no way for us to tell if Stage 2 is true. That photo certainly points towards it being a lie and his after game interview clearly shows he saw both Hartline AND Wallace on the TD pace even though they were on opposite sides of the field. That interview is here: http://www.miamidolphins.com/multime...7-f517802fb5c7" This is just not true. Tannehill has been known to lock on to receivers since college- As I've stated before, he looked better as per that yesterday. That's one game- for the OP to say definitively that Tannehill doesn't lock on is based on what, one game and more specifically one photo? Hardly. Again, his pics from last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cspH8IsNk We'll see how Tannehill does this year as per locking on, but that picture, while interesting, proves nothing as per the OP's point.
Lie: The Dolphins shouldn't have cut Richard Marshall Truth: Are you watching tonight? AND Dimitri Patterson's play Sunday. Richard Marshall does not look very good. At all.
Read your post again- it's an interesting picture, you just took it way too far, it proves nothing: 4. LIE: Tannehill locks on to receivers too much. TRUTH: This is a two stage lie. The first stage is that its a lie ANYONE can tell where a QB is looking using broadcast footage. You cannot do it. raf cannot do it. CK cannot do it. Joe Montana cannot do it. The ghost of Vince Lombardi cannot do it. The reason is that you cannot see the QB's eyes front he camera angles they use, nor can you see the receivers once they are out of frame. If you cannot see the eyes nor can you see the target, you cannot tell where someone is looking. Case in point: No one can watch the broadcast footage and tell that Tannehill was looking to his right. The stage 2 lie is that Tannehill does this too much. Obviously since Stage 1 is a lie, there's no way for us to tell if Stage 2 is true. That photo certainly points towards it being a lie and his after game interview clearly shows he saw both Hartline AND Wallace on the TD pace even though they were on opposite sides of the field. That interview is here: http://www.miamidolphins.com/multime...7-f517802fb5c7 Watch this clip again and feast on the obvious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cspH8IsNk
I don't understand why it so hard to believe that a QB can scan the field without moving his head. You move your eyes all the time without turning your head to look at something, why cant Tannehill?
Wait...so now your completely ludicrous argument has changed to all of Tannehill's INTs last year were because he locked on to receivers? There's nothing contradictory in my OP to anything I've said. Its you that's been all over the place.
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