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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    what's worse after watching that play... neither of the refs standing on the Pats side of the ball threw that flag. They saw clearly where Vernon's hand was and how he was going for the ball. Someone behind the play threw the flag. How could they have seen ****?
     
  2. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    This play probably had something to do with adding the forward fumble rule:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y1SeAjv5ao
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    For the record I did not really disagree strongly with the defensive holding penalty on Dimitri Patterson, either. That's one of those gray area plays where it's only bad or good within a context. If there are several calls going against a team on the day then that penalty is going to be held up as an egregiously bad call even though really it's not and I see that call made for that kind of contact all the time.

    The Jimmy Wilson pass interference appeared to be a bad call. There was also what I felt was clear-cut unnecessary roughness by one of their pass rushers on Tannehill, intentionally pushing him to the ground with a big shove after the play was over. I don't know how they missed that.
     
  4. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    He's trying to pull the ball in. If you think he's batting it intentionally, what do you think would happen if he's trying to pull the ball in?
     
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  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    18 line judge threw the flag.
     
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  6. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    I'm sorry, when I watch it especially in slow mo, he isn't batting the ball forward he's trying to recover it. The ball is just at arms length and he can only try to corral it with his hand which inadvertently launches the ball forward.
     
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  7. Ronnie Bass

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    You really think that call on Patterson might have been legit?
     
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  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    he's falling down, falling towards the ball... is he not supposed to touch it at all?
     
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  9. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    The receiver fell over in front of Patterson
     
  10. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Nope. That's illegal touching of a ball that Brady fumbled on an illegal hit and is not allowed to be touched by anyone not in a Patriots jersey.
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    within five yards.. he pops the receiver, receiver falls down... flag on Patterson... who by the way had a heck of a game today. if he can stay healthy... ah, why do I care right...
     
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  12. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    no i won't.
     
  13. bobw999

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    Okay, inside Miami's 30 with NE up 3 and driving down the field again, why wouldn't he try to recover it? And why did it take 30 seconds to throw the flag?

    The Patterson holding call was fishy too. I'm pretty sure it was within 5 yards of the LOS.
     
  14. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    True. We didn't lose bc of the refs but those calls were horribly wrong and had a huge impact on the game.

    Last week was the phantom helmet to helmet on Jenkins when Gibson and Tannehill were both hit helmet to helmet with no call. This week it was Patterson called for holding on a legal jam inside of 5 yds after Clay is mugged 10 yards down field on a ball that was literally 3-5 inches out of his grasp. And don't forget the PI on Grimes vs Baltimore when Wallace was impeded even worse and only got a 5 yd holding call and Gibson was mugged in the me zone with no call at all.

    These are close games where the refs errors are tipping the balance in the opposite direction and the only consolation is that bad calls tend to even out, but they aren't evening out they're getting worse.
     
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  15. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    and then there's the Jimmy Wilson pass interference call on Gronkowiski... really... defender not allowed to go for the ball. So glad Simms was calling this game, at least they pointed out the flaws in the calls.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    You can live with one bad call, but Jesus it was never ending.

    The Phins c2c team could block better than our OL right now.
     
  17. Phoenician Fan

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    I have been saying it forever........until the refs get fined, or docked pay, for bad calls they will continue to make them. I am also in favor of flogging them in certain cases.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    My initial take on the replay led me to believe it was a gray area ruling but perhaps I need to watch it again.
     
  19. GMJohnson

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    I dunno what you're looking at but IMO there's no way in hell anyone can definitively say he was deliberately looking to knock the ball further down field. It's a judgement call and the refs used poor judgment, period.
     
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  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    I can't believe people are defending that call. Vernon is SWIPING for the ball. Intent matters and his intent was clearly to try and recover the ball. Ref said it was a judgement call. BAD judgement.
     
  21. GMJohnson

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    It's common sense. He's trying to corral the ball but it's out of his reach and his fingers knock it away. I don't mind the flag but they should have talked it over and corrected the call. It's a HUGE play in the game that cannot be challenged, they basically gave NE 10 yards and a first on a play where at best they should have lost 10 yards and a down.
     
  22. Oghma

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    The Dolphins would have lost this game regardless of those calls. They played so poorly in the second half it just didn't matter.

    That said, I thought this was one of the poorest officiated games I've ever seen.

    The PI against Wilson was the worst of them. Closely followed by the 40 yard penalty for illegally forcing a Tom Brady fumble.

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  23. Vertical Limit

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    Well the referees figured they screwed the Patriots last week so they gave them some make up calls and it's always our luck to be the one behind the make up calls. I'm sure Kraft called his good old buddy Goodell at half time.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    and this comes on the eve of Sheldon Richardson complaining about how the refs favor Brady [after lightly bumping into Brady and getting warned that he'd draw a flag the next time he does it].

    Let's not forget the Aaron Dobson no-call offensive PI on the blatant push off that allowed the completion down the left sideline.
     
  25. byroan

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    We lost by 10. The Pats were gifted 13.
     
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  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I see exactly the same as you do, and it is not a call one very often ever sees, especially on a defender trying to recover a fumble.
     
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  27. ToddPhin

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    yup, but it's a call that allows for subjectivity by the refs. If they're being objective they leave it alone. If they're not, well then......
     
  28. bran

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    the dolphins played like crap the second half, the missed field goal really hurt, but through all that those 3 turnovers gifted points to the patriots. the dolphins defense made big stops when they had to, only to have a phantom call put against them.
     
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  29. shadokp

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    There is no way he would try to bat it toward the Patriot players - there were no Dolphins players out in that area (that I saw) and so it was obvious he was trying to get a hold of it - it would be anyone's nature to try to capture the ball. - obvious.

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  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not at all. He chucked the WR within the 5 yd limit and the WR fell down. He did not hold him.
     
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  31. Oghma

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    I agree they were gifted 13.

    I think the dolphins would have lost regardless

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  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    There was one pass to Wallace in the 1st half where Arrington didn't turn around, and I've seen that same thing be called PI for face guarding before too.
     
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  33. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    I'll gladly handle your banha- er...moderator duties.

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  34. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I love how some people are suggesting Miami didn't deserve to win b/c of how they played the 2nd half, so by that sentiment how can anyone say New England deserved to win based on their horrid 1st half? Hypocritical much? And the Pats didn't have horrendous referee calls going against them to get whipped that badly for the first 30 minutes. But they did need beneficial calls to propel them back in it.
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    There was nothing that even resembled holding on that play. The ball didn't go in Dobson's direction, he wS not a factor in the play at all. The WR fell and the ref instinctively threw the flag. Simple as that.

    If anything I'd blame our receivers for fighting thru jams instead of collapsing to the turf on contact and looking for a make up call.
     
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  36. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Body positioning makes that hard to see. I'm not even sure it was that bad. I think how good Patterson has played gives him the benefit of the doubt in that you don't see him overrunning it that poorly.

    Either way, difficult call to see, maybe not a call at all.

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  37. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Some don't think those 3 calls cost us the game, but had they all 3 been non calls as they should have been, I'd have liked our chances.
     
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  38. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    :lol: I haven't even banned anyone today.................................yet... although I'm tempted to ban CK because he disagrees with me. :shifty:
     
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  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    yep... but yet "the Dolphins can't handle adversity"... "they gave up in the face of the Patriots onslaught"... give me a freaking break!
     
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  40. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Here I'm more down on Wallace, he takes too long to look for the ball then is content with letting it get to him rather than attacking it. He forgot the back part of the comeback route. I sincerely believe Brandon Gibson and Rishard Matthews are the only two receivers with body control.

    Hartline is great at selling but his control is far from elite.

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