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Time for a RE-ORG not a RE-BUILD

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by zwave21, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. zwave21

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    Amazing how in 5 weeks the season could be lost. Sadly part of me still believed we were back on track watching us during that first half. But, the moment we missed that field goal the moment just got sucked from us. The snowball affect after that really just intensified. So, whose to blame?

    Jeff Ireland- yes, he is a simple scape goat but its simple he buys the groceries and while I do feel we have talent we've made some costly mistakes exchanging solid starters for one hit wonders. Truth is since 2008 we are 41-46, but keep in mind take away that first season we are 30-41 in the regular season with Emperor Jeff. For a guy who came so highly regarded for his scouting he has continually whiffed when it comes to the draft. We are going on year 5 with him and our O-Line is trash, and we continue to neglect it from a scheme perspective. When it comes to points of emphasis on the draft where he missed the mark was passing on Dez Bryant, trading back and not choosing Earl Thomas. Those two players are All-Pro's and in exchange for them we got Jared Odrick and Koa Misi. Odrick looks to be on his way to an excellent Defensive Tackle but that 2010 draft still haunts me. Now to his free agent spending. We wanted to get better at Linebacker and I have yet to see it. We aren't creating any turnovers at the position and we paid out the a$$ to bring in difference makers. Kevin Burnett and Karlos Dansby have been having just as if not better seasons than their replacements. I know everyone is complaining about the $60 million man Mr. Wallace but his issue more falls on coaching. After years of continuous below average quality on the field its time for Ireland to go.

    Joe Philbin- I unfortunately can admit I drank the Philbin Kool-Aid when we brought him in. Heck, a disciple of the Packers system this is going to be perfect!!! Oh, wait he didn't even call the plays? Oh, that not a huge deal. He's been a coach for almost 30 years but never a head coach? Hell, he's gotta start somewhere right. How wrong I could be. It just felt weird last year on Hard Knocks by the way he'd talk to players he really had now rapport with them and you could feel it. That along with his refusal to admit mistakes openly with the fan base and the media is disheartening. But, he just doesn't seem to get it. He's not a rah-rah guy like Sparano... that's fine. He's not a mastermind like Bellichek? Well, who is. He isn't a play calling guru such as Sean Payton? Not many are. But, Joe Philbin who are you? You can sense his persona isn't really that intoxiciating to his team. They continue to come out flat and with little to no intensity. We need an identity and that usualyl stems from the Head Coach. The Jets for instance, don't have half the talent of our team and thats the truth. But, what they have is a Head Coach with a identity and it reflects on the team and they buy in. Despite today's game you rarely see a Jet's team that doesn't play with a swagger. But, us our Head Coach has the personality of a tree stump and the stubbornness to not change his ways. The worst part for Philbin is watching him in critical game situations. Such as today, Matthews first down catch he didn't even throw the flag and it looked pretty apparent that he got two feet in. His time management with the clock is awful, per that second to last drive that led to the blocked field goal. Hey your down 10 with 7:00 mins to play and you haven't scored since the 2nd quarter? Maybe a little freakin' urgency. The play on the field is a reflection of the preparation done during the week. The worst part is continually getting out coached at the half with in game adjustments. He also has a eery loyalty to certain players. Jimmy Wilson, I can't stand the guy. He is a liability and we just drafted 2 CB's early in the draft. Yes, I know injuries happen but why aren't they prepared to play. Oh, also Patterson is a decent slot CB. Why not slide him in on 3 WR sets, and let Carrol man the boundary. Daniel Thomas, he played better today but this whole **** is more like 55/45 than the 70/30 split I thought Miller would get in favor of him. Dion Jordan... why is he not playing more? Each game he gets snaps he makes an impact with a tipped pass, QB pressure, or covering Gronk. Whatever the case is get him on the field. Shelby is a backup not a rotational guy, and Wake is evidently not the same player with the injury.

    Mike Sherman- you don't got it dude. Plain and simple. Sometimes O-Coordinators aren't familiar with a QB's strengths. Such is not the case for the Phins. Sherman should know Tannehill better than any coach. But, he clearly does him no favors with his play calling or personel groupings. Just all over it is bad. The moment we get a chance to blow the game open we change the script which is working for us. We ran the ball so successfully in the 1st half but oops we let the Pats score once and oh no we gotta get pass happy. You could see that Tannehill's confidence was shaky after that fumble. Why abandon the run and control the clock. The momentum was with the Pats and we should've stuck to the ground and pound. But, nope we got pass happy and a few bad plays were done. He doesn't feed Miller nearly enough the kid is a baller plain and simple. He has a 2nd gear and cut back ability only a select few have. Wallace yes his play should be better but he isn't utilized nearly enough. That screen play to him in the 4th quarter should be done early in the game. Stop putting the guy on an island on the outside and let him come in motion.

    Kevin Coyle- First time as a coordinator as well. Well just like Philbin you aren't making great first impressions. Coming from a Marvin Lewis/Mike Zimmer philosophy in Cincy, I thought he'd be a sure fire hit. He has improved our secondary play which has been a plus but his personnel groupings are really discouraging. He hasn't developed our young CB's to the point one has been active for 2 or 3 games this year a 2nd rounder btw. Plain and simple our personel is better suited for a 3-4 scheme than a 4-3. But, we need to play more hybrid and change groupings more often. Jordan is more a 3-4 Aldon Smith type than a Jason Taylor 4-3 end. Wake succeeded in both systems and he can still play with his hand down. Odrick/Solai/Starks would be a nightmare to have all three on the field at the same time consistently. Regardless his refusal to change and lack of understanding situational football is terrible.

    The Players- No doubt about it. Tannehill has to get better, and his mistakes are repetitive and should be fixable. Staring down receivers, not looking off the safety, ball security, not using his athletic ability, pocket awareness. Comes down to coaching, but at the end of the day he might just not have it. Still, we spent a 8th overall on him we are invested in him. Maybe a scene change from coaching would be a breath of fresh air. Wallace, play with effort and be a team player. Work with your quarterback you've played with a SB MVP QB, instill that in Tannehill and teach him. O-Line unforuatnetly you aren't good enough or aren't coached good enough. Save Pouncey/Martin I expect 3 new starters next season, heck may be 4 if we do clean house. Cam Wake if you aren't healthy save it. We need you past this year. Ellerbe/Wheeler play like you need to prove your contract. Same can be said to Reshad Jones. Sturgis get your swagger back young man.

    End Result- A combination of coaching, upper management decisions, and the quality of play on the field has led us to this BLOW IT UP. A year after bringing in a new coaching staff, I am praying we bring in a new one. Philbin isn't who we hoped or thought he would be. He has no identity, he isn't a players coach, he really isn't a disciplinarian, he is more like a micro-manager who can't even manage. Ireland has over stayed his welcome a few years too many. He should've been gone with Sparano plain and simple. I give him credit to attempt to adapt with a change in staff but he just isn't producing and his decision making has not progressed this team past mediocrity. The coordinators are a reflection of their coach and have no use. The position coaches may be the worst of the bunch. Like does Jim Turner get it? You line is historically bad, stop saying anything but the fact. The talent in the locker room, isn't as bad as this team has played. I feel we have some young players to build with and have brought in some good players. We are not rebuilding but should classify it as a re-organization.

    What's the answer? Ross needs to grow a pair and clean house. For a businessman he should know the #1 principle. Fix the bad investment. Your fan base has been steadily dwindling. Your stadium is ****ty. Your front office isn't suitable. Your being outcoached, outplayed, and outclassed. Fix this mess Steve.

    Step 1: Fire Ireland, Philbin, Sherman, Coyle, etc.
    Step 2: Identify a General Manager
    Step 3: Hire a Head Coach with a chemistry with the new GM
    Step 4: Put together an experienced and discipline staff
    Step 5: Trim the fat and add potential pieces

    Step 1: Do it the day the season ends, heck maybe before.

    Step 2: Identify and hire a GM. We have had some pretty epic swings and misses lately (Fisher, Harbaugh, etc.) We need to keep this in house and bring on a GM from a perennially successful organization. Who are these teams: (Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Saints, Packers) or the new school success stories (49ers, Seahawks, Bengals). Contunuity is key, but structure is just as important and all of these teams have one or the other. They all identities as organization's success. The GM has a plan in place and a staff to identify top talent through the draft. The draft and depth the last 3 teams mentioned have acquired in such a short time is stupid and it's due to solid scouting and Front Office work. Next, is solid work through Free Agency and Contracts. Not overspending would be nice, something we seem to do time and time again. Dawn Aponte is a guru with contracts but she needs a GM who isn't going to overspend on the produce.

    So who are some potentials?

    Eric DeCosta - Baltimore: This guy is Ozzie Newsome's right hand man. Newsome might be the best top to bottom GM in the league right now. Heck the guy is a Hall of Famer who has drafted the likes of Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Joe Flacco, Jonathan Ogden, and Ray Rice. He has won the Super Bowl without paying out the a$$ to do so. DeCosta is the GM in waiting well, why wait for someone of his talent to keep Baltimore's consistency going. I have always been so envious of Baltimore's talent and playing style. Wouldn't mind to bring that to Miami.

    Nick Caserio - New England: Anyone from a organization who has 11 years of consistent success and without a losing season I would take a look at. Yes, Scott Pioli wasn't a success in Kansas City but he did put some solid talent on that roster. This is a 37 year old wonder kid, and I wouldn't imagine the Evil Empire to let him walk to Miami without a fight. But, a cushy GM gig with a full set of priviledges might it, also throw in the weather we might have a selling point. He could bring in the necessary structure and experience from a stable organization with a goal. Plus, we all know BB makes the decisions in NE maybe the young Caserio would like to cast his own shadow.

    Russ Ball - Green Bay: He is control of their Player Administration/Finance. So not only is he good with communicating with players unlike Ireland he also understands the economic aspect. Ireland being a scout himself see's a good player and thinks i'll throw whatever to get him to sign yet he must not have heard of overpaying. Ball is has over 20 years experience in the NFL and started as a strength coach so he is versatile and diverse.

    Will Lewis: Kansas City: He is a Ted Thompson disciple with experience in both Green Bay and Seattle. Two teams that have gathered some impressive talent on their rosters through the draft especially. His Operations and Scouting experience make him an intruiging option and the perception he is a leader of men makes me think he might be a good candidate.

    Omar Khan - Pittburgh: He's been with the Steelers since 2001. Which means he's been to the Playoffs 8 times, the Conference Championship 5 times, and the Super Bowl 3 times winning 2 of them. The Jets took a long look at him last year but chose Izdik but not after some time. He has helped assemble and draft some pretty talented rosters with Pittsburgh.

    If it's me I want DeCosta or Khan. Two rivals from the AFC North have been with some talented Front Offices and stable organizations something we desperately need.

    Next: Choose a Coach from the GM's liking. I'd prefer a coach with some prior experience preferably after these past two coaches failing with none prior. I really don't care if we hire a Offensive Minded or Defensive Minded. Just whatever they are have a strong cordinator for whatever the Head Coach is lacking. So let's break down coaches in groups.

    The Out of Football Prospects:

    Bill Cowher - we've been down this road before. Never came to fruition before and I wouldn't hold my breath. Only way I see him coming is if he got full-control. Ross might be desperate enough to do it. But, a pairing of Khan and Cowher whom have familiarty is intriguing.

    Jon Gruden- He loves quarterbacks and I know he see's potential in Tannehill. That plus a offense with weapons may get him to consider. ESPN will fight tooth and nail to keep him and I feel Gruden may want to buy his groceries from scratch than have them already purchased like we have. He would be another who wants full control and he may be too much character for this team to mesh. Regardless I wouldn't look past him being mentioned.

    The Cream of the Cordinators:

    Mike Zimmer: Cincinatti: We've been down this road before as well. Still, the guy keeps producing a quality defense that might finally have a offense to warrant a playoff run. The guy is a leader of men and you see his defense respond to his style of coaching. You also rarely see a Cincy defense be ill-prepared or lacking aggresiveness.

    Ray Horton: Cleveland: Some may look and laugh. Yes, I know he doesn't have prior experience as HC. But he does come with a solid resume. 6 seasons with the Steelers as a Secondary Coach under Dick Lebeau and Head Coaches Bill Cowher/Mike Tomlin. He coaches with a swagger and attitude and I like that. He quietly assembled two strong defenses as a Defensive Coordinator with Arizona and now Cleveland. His specialty being his defensive line play and secondary play with the talent those two groups could have make him very intriguing. Additionally, he would bring a 3-4 style back which suits us better and a pairing with Khan could work from familiarity.

    Greg Roman: San Francisco: The job the 49ers organization has done in such a short period is remarkable. The personel moves and coaching have been ridiculous. The roster had talent during the Singletary days but unfortuanetly needed better coaching and scheme play. Enter Jim Harbaugh and his rah-rah no bullsh*t style. Greg Roman as an OC has concocted some of the most potent offenses the past few seasons. Transitioning mid-season from Alex Smith to untested and inexperienced Colin Kapernick and not missing a beat is nothing short of amazing. The guy knows how to best utilize his weapons skill sets and I think he'd play to Tannehill's strengths and utilzing his athleticism.

    Pete Carmichael: New Orleans: Whatever Sean Payton has done in NO has been working. Carmichael is his guy controlling the offense. He has been the OC under Sean Payton since 2009 and while Payton is the mastermind behind the whole show, Carmichael is known to be a quality offensive mind. His rapport with Drew Brees would make me feel good about the potential work he could do with Tannehill.

    Jay Gruden: Cincinatti: The team has gone to the playoffs each of the last two years both with a QB whose rookie season was the rookie debut as Jay as a coordinator. He is similar to his brother in a lot of ways of really understanding X's and O's football. But, the work he has done with Dalton and playing to his strengths and masking his weaknesses has been great. Something intruiging about him as a coach and I wouldn't be opposed to brining on a personality like his with the recent success he has had.

    Rob Ryan: New Orleans: Laugh all you want. But noone can argue that a Ryan v. Ryan two time a year suree wouldn't be a attention grabber. The job Rob has done with New Orleans is impressive to the point they might be as good as that offense. They produce turnovers, confusion and wide spread havoc. Exactly what a defense should do and they play off the persona of their head coach. Say what you will about their antics on and off the field the Ryan brothers can coach a defense. Pairing Ryan with an experienced Front Office personel and a strong offensive coordinator who can manager that side of the ball would be the best scenario.

    The Waiting for the Call up group:

    This group will always scare me as its track record isn't the most successful. But, they should be considered none the less.

    Kevin Sumlin: I like what I have seen from Sumlin. Seems like an offensive minded coach in the mold of Mike Tomlin. You can see he is most definetly a players coach. My only fear is you can see a lack of discipline with the A&M team on a weekly basis and that type of leaniancy only spells trouble in the NFL.

    Bill O'Brien: The job he has done with Penn St. in the wake of the Paterno scandal is fantastic. He also comes from the Patriot organization and has experience at the NFL level. So, the excuse of adapting to the NFL structure would not be the case with him.

    David Shaw: Took over for Harbaugh at Stanford and hasn't missed a beat. The man plays with a hard nosed atittude and a balanced attack. He also has NFL experience from his time with Baltimore and Oakland during the Gruden days.

    So, who are my top choices for coach. (In on particular order)

    Greg Roman
    Ray Horton
    Mike Zimmer
    David Shaw
    Bill O'Briend

    Best case scenarios:

    GM/Coach Pairings

    -Nick Cesario/Bill O'Brien: familiarity with one another from their NE days. With O'Brien having a firm offensive understanding and coaching a prolifict offensive and QB O'Brien could walk into a much better situation than he did at PSU. He has a QB with talent just needing to turn the corner with better coaching. Additionally, he has weapons on offense to play with and with a stronger defense than offense he can focus on the O and put a solid coordinator to steer the ship on D. Cesario could come in and provide a fundamental understanding of building through the draft with finagling deals to acquire picks without sacrificing value. Also he could help bolster something we have lacked for years and that is depth. One player goes down for the Pats and they have someone ready to step up. We need that. Add in the fact to stick it to the Pats now as a division rival, I think this pairing could work.

    Eric DeCosta/Greg Roman: They have familiarty from Roman's time with Baltimore as Line coach. Roman coming from the 49ers camp full of creativity and identity would be a welcome sight for Miami. He could utilize Tannehill's atleticism and get him to throw on the move more than standing in the pocket as a sitting duck. He could also provide a scheme that would limit his issue with staring down the receiver. He also could bring a read option that would play well to Lamar Miller's strengths. Throw in the stability of San Fran's line play he could provide a better insight on how to fix our problem. DeCosta coming from Baltimore and Ozzie's tutledge I think he could draft efficiently enough to not need years to get us to where we should be. He'd also understand the need to draft a difference maker when in a position to do so. Baltimore has drafted so well top to bottom as well as brought on quality undrafted FA's that it'd be hard to think he couldn't provide what Ireland has been lacking.

    Russ Ball/Mike Zimmer: Two themes with this pairing is loyalty. Zimmer has been loyal from his time with Dallas now to his time with Cincy. He never lets his success overshadow his players and he can make a successful product with less than satisfactory groceries. Ball coming from the Green Bay Ted Thompson tree knows a thing or two about loyalty. I have zero idea is these two have any connection with one another but I can tell you off a hunch this might be a suprise pairing. Zimmer from his years of experience I don't seem him coming in and struggling with preparation or schematic football. His biggest obstacle may be controlling a whole team rather than just one side of the football.

    Eric DeCosta/David Shaw: 3+ years together in Baltimore gets me thinking the transition to working together wouldn't be an issue. Shaw seems to be much more even-kieled than his predecessor Harbaugh. Still, his teams play with the same tenacity and consistency. Not sure if Shaw would jump for the pro game but with prior NFL experience and a impressive short HC resume I don't feel he would be overwhelmed initially that is. Stanford has had excellent line play and produced several early round draft picks. They also have a commitment to the run and utilize the play action game to the tee. Those all smell like remedies to some of the problems our offense has been having.

    Omar Khan/Ray Horton: This is my favorite pairing. Wherever Ray Horton has gone he hasn't gotten similar praise to walk Mike Tomlin got prior to his first head coaching gig. "It won't be long". Horton thrived under Dick Lebeau as a coach and player. Additionaly, he has a litany of praises from highly regarded coaches in the NFL. His no-nonsense style but with a player coach understanding would mix well for our roster. With a young roster like ours we could use someone to engage our player's interest. The biggest hurdle for Horton is he only has 2 years as an cordinator and a jump to head coach after that would be a major question mark. But, I think Horton has the moxie to do it. Pair him with Khan who has been with Pittsburgh through all their success of the last decade. Also with Horton coming from the Pitt tree I think their mesh would work well together. With Khan managing the Front Office and Horton focusing on coaching and mainly the defensive scheme it could work quite well. Also having Horton bring his attacking 3-4 scheme may suit better for our defense and provide a variety of blitz packages and personel groupings that could play into our Front 7 depth and skillset. The key for this to work is to get an experienced Offensive Coordinator who can handle the creation and execution of Tannehill and gang.

    This is not a rebuild just an re-organization but this comes down to Stephen Ross and where his loyalty lies. If he cares about the success of the team that represents city rich in football history he will do what is needed and clean house with upper management.

    Let me know your thoughts.
     
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  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Jay Gruden should be on your list, he's mostly responsible for Cinci's success.

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    nevermind, didn't see him already there.
     
  3. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Not a fan of that plan. I watched all games this season, and there are plenty opportunities in this offense for success. The problem is simply personnel on the field connecting. We've had decent success this year with major signings whiffing. That is a testament to the system and the team. we are very close, the system is good and proven to work, it is evident on Sundays that it offers plenty opportunities for success. Gotta toughen it out, get better personnel, tweak it as we go.
     
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  4. Disgustipate

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    I think there's a strong possibility anything besides a strong turnaround at this point means the front office/coaching staff gets revamped.

    The bigger issue in my mind right now is the coaching staff. The team has holes it shouldn't have, but it's also got quite a bit of talent and not being able to put it together is the major issue. Jeff Ireland will be fired on a bad season no matter what I imagine, but I think both should go if it comes down to it.
     
  5. schmolioot

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    If we're swapping coaches going with yet another coordinator with no HC experience scares me.

    As for a retread, Ken Whisenhunt should get another job. He was a good coach who got hung out to dry by the a Cards complete lack of planning at the QB position. And he is doing a spectacular job with the San Diego offense right now.

    If you're looking at college coaches, Art Briles needs to be on the kist. Though a 57 year old with no NFL experience is a scary thought
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Gm is the foundation of all success in all sports save maybe basketball and unfortunately we got stuck with ireland. The problem with ireland is he doesn't completely suck. If he did we wouldve got rid of him four years ago or so. He is good at fillng depth. Enough so we are perenially hovering around 500. The problem is he is a singles hitter and to become a championship team you need some home runs. We have to get rid of him. He is priority number one. If we get lucky we'll land that home run off season that will put us in the playoffs but we'll never do it with him. He's incapable of it
     
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  7. Anonymous

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    If we don't make the playoffs and Ireland is fired, Philbin better stay. No need to fire him. You can replace a GM while keeping the current coach.

    I still believe we can make the playoffs, though.
     
  8. Anonymous

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    This is how I feel. He's not terrible but he can be upgraded. I think Philbin needs to stay, though.
     
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    That spread D the Pats were playing was basically a hail Mary on their part but we couldn't block it. That D should have got burned so bad with quick hitches and the coaches will be like Hindsight is 20/20. Week after week though, that's unforgivable. I still don't get the ref in the Balt game with the two PI's and this game was even worse. NFL is a freakin sham.
     
  10. Caps

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    Thats easy to say, but in reality if you bring in a new GM you can't say "You're in charge of the operation, but that head coach with the under-.500 record over there? He's untouchable."
     
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    Loving the feedback guys. Ken Whisenhunt is a guy I didn't get a chance to think of but yes he should be on my list. Rivers has looked really solid. But, it seems the consensus is Ireland gone with Philbin getting another year. But, let me ask you what proof do you have that Philbin or his system are right? People we went 7-9 last year and we might not even get there this year. We have signicantly more talent that last season yet we don't play to scheme with our player's strength. No playaction, just shotgun, no rollouts just 3 step drops. Wallace doesn't get moved around. Miller isn't and should be the feature back. Need some evidence for that argument.
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I see what you're trying to say, but Ross actually can say that.
     
  13. Caps

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    True enough, but in that case a top tier GM candidate could also choose to turn down the job.

    Edit: Also, I can see you put a lot of effort into this post zwave, nice work.
     
  14. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure you can. The GM position doesn't inherently mean you are responsible for hiring or firing your own coaches. Just as often the owner does that and the GM is in charge of personnel, which has been the case in Miami for a very long time.
     
  15. Anonymous

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    That's a possibility but I don't think any GM will mind working with Philbin.

    Let's see how it plays out, though. I'm not giving up on the season.
     
  16. Disgustipate

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    This team has under-achieved and misfired far too frequently for the coaching staff to beyond reproach.
     
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  17. Serpico Jones

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    That would be a mistake.
     
  18. Anonymous

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    They aren't but I would prefer to keep Philbin. Maybe Coyle.
     
  19. NyPhinfan

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    First of all..amazing work and time on the original post.. A lot to digest. I believe in the theory that we have no identity to this teem. No fire..no clear cut vision of what type of team we want to be. We don't have any aspect of our game that stands out. We take the character of our head coach. Quiet and cerebral. Don't know if that is a positive in such a physical game. Sherman by having no faith in gaining two yards by running the ball puts the toughness of this team as a question in their minds. Who are we? Whatvtype of team are we trying to be? I truly don't know
     
  20. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We are a WCO team with QB issues, and WR issues.
     
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    Excellent post. The GM candidate list should start and end with San Francisco's Tom Gamble. We should have hired John Dorsey last offseason, he coulda been a perfect fit seeing as how he's worked with both Philbin and Sherman. But we foolishly kept this complete tool in charge (even gave him an extension like idiots) and now we're dealing with the consequences. The Giants Marc Ross is another name, I think those two should be our top candidates. Let them decide whether Philbin stays or goes.
     
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  22. RoninFin4

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    Nice post zwave.

    Just some thoughts piggy-backing off your post:

    - I think David Shaw is one of, if not the only, college coach I would consider at this juncture.
    - Eric DeCosta and Greg Roman would be a nice connection.
    - I'd fire Kevin Coyle just as soon as Jim Turner if I'm Joe Philbin and am retained for 2014.
    - I think regardless of who a new coach may be, I would want someone who would revert the defense back to a 3-4. IMO, it would maximize the things you can do with Cameron Wake, Dion Jordan, and Olivier Vernon, who at this juncture are the best building-blocks on defense's front 7 that are under contract for the foreseeable future. I'd consider Odrick as well, but he's only under contract for the 2014 season. I'm not sure on Koa Misi and Dannell Ellerbe, and I don't think I would want any part of Philip Wheeler if I can help it.
    - As it relates to Omar Khan, he's not be involved in the football side of the Steelers' front office for several years. He's on the business side.
     
  23. Bpk

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    I'm getting to the point where PHINS games are not must-watch events but "Do I have anything to do that'll be more beneficial today."

    Truthfully, I am near the point of tuning out until they make the playoffs someday.

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  24. Serpico Jones

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    Jack Del Rio should also be on the list, IMO.
     
  25. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Does this mean you won't be posting your combine numbers again this offseason?
     
  26. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Why would you prefer to keep Philbin? What has he done that has impressed you?
     
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  27. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If anything, even though it'd be opposite from the 2011 offseason, I hope Steve Ross has learned that you can't clean house halfway. I think if there's going to be changes forthcoming, and I think they will be, you've got to rid yourself of both Ireland and Philbin.

    As for Philbin, his career record is identical at this point to Nick Saban's, 10-13. Most people scoffed when Nick Saban left saying he was only 15-17 after two years. I think Joe Philbin's going to be lucky to hit a 15-17 record at this point.
     
  28. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    He has installed the system in which a ****ty QB has a chance to be successful.
     
  29. Marino420TD

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    Except when Philbin refuses to play his rookies.
     
  30. adamprez2003

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    Just be aware we have a very soft schedule. We might win more than we lose going forward. Regardless of our final record I think ireland has to get fired. Let the gm determine if he wants a new coach. The worst case scenario is we sneak in to a wildcard spot and ross decides to let ireland go another year thinking things hAve turned around. They haven't.
     
  31. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    If Giants get rid of Coughlin, we should jump on that. patience, there will be more info after the season.
     
  32. Rocky Raccoon

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    How in the world is making the playoffs the worst case scenario? The whole point of this is to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. If we make the playoffs, it's because we are an improved team who's playing good football. I don't know how you can think otherwise.
     
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  33. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not sure about that. Miami still has Cincinnati, San Diego, and Carolina coming up. They have the Patriots and Bills again, and the Jets and Steelers' defenses. Even Tampa Bay has been playing decent defense.
     
  34. RoninFin4

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    Do you think that's realistic at this point? If they did, I can see it being like how Miami approached the 2009 season. Even Bill Parcells has conceded that they overrated their own roster when they evaluated going into 2009. They say history repeats itself, and I could see that being the case if that unrealistic circumstance does, in fact, actually happen.
     
  35. Finfan7273

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    How? Are we not at the bottom of the east now?
     
  36. SICK

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    Panthers are doing it
     
  37. dullfandan

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    I understand replacing the gm but come on guys... You say joe has no identity, well can we give him time to develop one.. Do we have to win the sb now? Look at the panthers, ron revert was a lame duck coach, three years in, team had no identity... Ron has grown into his position as head coach.. It takes time, not every coach has it from day one. You have to let them progress... Joe has brought this team back from being the laughing stock of the nfl.. Let him have his contract then if we don't prove I'm cool with a change.. Ireland has to go, next year the gm evals the coach and qb and we go from there...
     
  38. Rocky Raccoon

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    Huge difference between this team and the team going into 2009. We had a ton of veteran, older players that year. Including Chad Pennington. We were still at the beginning of the rebuilding stage. 2008 was a fun year, but let's be honest, it was a flukey year. Wildcat craze and a QB that was historically great at protecting the football.

    This year we're full of youth, and that includes the QB. So any progress we make is good progress.
     
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  39. Itsdahumidity

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    Great write up and I agree, especially at ownership.
     
  40. dullfandan

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    Btw forgot to mention, if I hear bill and chuckys name one more time ima puke.. This is not the same nfl when they coached.. They will get run out the stadium... They can't coach any more.. The league has passed them by....
     

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