Richie Incognito has support in Dolphins' locker room

Yup, so rather than use this evidence and present it to the team, he decided to make this a race issue, involve the media and shame the entire organization. And the final straw was a prank at the cafeteria where he got his feelings hurt because several teammates left the table when he sat down.

The initial threat didn't warrant a reaction. I mean after all, his poor mother was threatened and he was called the N word. That was OK to hold on to for 6 months. However, the episode in the cafeteria was earth shattering and warranted his reaction.

 

Another Richie Incognito supporter:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...hinks-incognitos-character-is-being-attacked/

 

Riley Cooper didn't use the n-word towards his teamates. And when the video came out, he was immediately contrite, begged for forgiveness and then was sent away for a few weeks while the team decided what to do with him. Eventually, the players decided to take him back, even though they didn't like what he did.

 

Fact is if you ever disagree with someone pulling the race card....you're automatically labeled a racist.

 

The only person who shamed this organization was Richie Incognito. The level of adoration for a guy who would not survive in any other line of work for more than a week is horrifying to me.

 

If it wasn't videotaped you would never have heard a word about it.

 

I would say based on Martin's play Incgo's approach failed, the attempt was proper, he failed to motivate Martin.

Do you think couples counseling would somehow instill drive into Jon Martin, or would be being ridden to get angry, drive him.

To me, that is where Martin broke, he simply did not have the drive to sacrifice to improve thus "when I saw myself on film I was like that is not me..", yes JMart, that was you.

 

The N word was OK on his voicemail for 6 months. It was not OK when he was demoted again to right tackle and his teammates hurt his feelings when they switched locations when he sat down next to them. At that point, the saved evidence was of paramount importance and needed to be leaked to the media.

Plus, this should help Martin achieve his all time goal of a sit down interview with Oprah. Maybe Lifetime can make mini series about this tragic event.

 

Well of course, because no one would have known. And since Riley Cooper never used that language around his teamates there was no reason for anyone to think otherwise.

Once it did get out there, he realized what he had done, and tried to fix it. His teamates gave him a second chance.

 

Where did I say I admired Incognito?

The level of shame is knee jerk reactions by people such as yourself, that are ready to crucify both the team and the player without knowing all the facts, while ignoring statements by other teammates that feel this was blown out of proportion.

But I guess he used the N word, so nothing else matters. All evidence must be ignored, he is a racist and should be jailed for his behavior.

 

Again, how was what Incognito was doing relate to Martin improving as a player?

 

He said it as a joke in a voicemail. He was laughing during it. What if Martin's nickname back to him is hillbilly cracker? Does that change anything? If he was so hurt by the message, why was he go-karting with the guy a few days later, re-tweeting photos Incognito took? Why did he not say a word about "bullying" in a single one of those meetings with Philbin? None of this was said until he went to the hospital and other people got involved. Nothing about this all strikes anyone as odd?

These locker rooms are a lot tamer now than they were 10-20 years ago. These were little silly jokes that teammates played on each other. My high school team did worse things. Martin stole Samuda's car, should he press charges on him?

 

Neither Richie or his dad have any proof of anything.

 

This doesn't matter anymore. The damage is done and the narrative has been set. Incognito uttered the N word and nothing else matters nor is it relevant.

 

Never? You think racists are closet racists until they have the opportune time to exclaim it to the world?

 

Football is a man's game, men dont snitch, men dont turn and walk away from issues, men confront their problems, If you dont your a coward. Regardless of whether or not the allegations are true ALL football players will gravitate towards Incognito's defense. I still dont see Martin playing in the NFL anymore he will forever be shunned and/or labeled as an outcast, its just the nature of the players.

 

I'm not sure what the relevance of other players believeing this was blown out of proportion is. They are not Martin. And if he felt it was a problem and didn't like what was going on then the behavior should have stopped.

 

So by your assessmentcam newton is a dirtbag as well? Seeong how he got kicked off the team with the most player arrests in a 10 year period ever. Lied to the police and then was bought by another school.He's a racist ticking time bomb! Its football gimmie a break.

 

Maybe the team would have respected him if he would have stopped it himself.

 

He participatd in that behavior!!! How could anyone know he had a problem if he's perpetuating the problem?

 

Obviously Martin didn't take it as a joke.

You are also assuming everything Philbin is saying is true. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't.

What we know for sure is that Incognito feels comfortable doing and saying things that are completely unacceptable in any work environment, even an NFL locker room. And I don't care that some people were ok with it. My co-workers and I would never be allowed to do such things even if we all liked it, because that's simply not the kind of behavior you want your employees engaging in.

Not all locker rooms do this. Bill Walsh was famous for allowing no hazing at all, and his teams won plenty of games and had plenty of comraderie. You get what you tolerate. Philbin tolerated the hazing and then it got out of control. He didn't set guidelines at the beginning that everyone had to follow. If he did, perhaps this wouldn't have happened. That's why it's ultimately his fault

 

That's an awesome snapshot form the 1950's you got going on there.

 

I remember that I tweeted Icognito asking him if Samuda's car really was jacked and Incognito replied to me "yeah by me"...then he posted a picture of a possible suspect on Twitter which was Martin in the car....

 

I presume he was desparate to be part of the group. Doesn't excuse his participation, I agree

 

Okay, an accomplice with stolen property. He deserves a few less years in prison than Incognito I suppose.

 

Half this forum is trying to time travel it seems.

 

If you know behavior is causing you psychological problems you don't turn around and do it to someone else....just to be part of the group.You don't go and hangout with someone mentally breaking you down. And then post pictures about it.You dont bring up a problem after you have been benched.why not when the actual problem arises?Why is this so hard to accept yet, incog is a super racist bully and martin is really abused and not looking for money is the only logical conclusio ?

 

IF it aint broke dont fix it... The NFL is an amazing game and the players lucky enough to play the game at that level have friends for life (and enemies for that matter) so clearly since the 50's and beyond its all been working itself out just fine. Enter this kid that's been fed with a silver spoon that clearly isnt cut out for an NFL locker room and much less pro ball. Now we got this mess

 

It seems like there is a new nadir every time something even marginally not football related comes up.

 

I just don't understand how a 340 pound man gets bullied anywhere. Then runs home and shows texts to his parents like he is in the 5th grade. J Martin is Kook. That's 100% . Ritchie Incognito is Oldschool and very intense. 2 opposite ends of the spectrum. Not making excuses for Ritchie , he should know better as a professional. I'm just not thinking he's as bad as the Media (who loves this BTW) is making him out to be.

 

I agree 95% but he had no business using the n word in any context. That alone in my eyes is enough to cut a guy, how that Cooper jackass in Philly is still playing is beyond me.

 

How is it obvious that Martin didn't take it as a joke? And it was an honest question, if Martin had some name for him like redneck or whatever, would you still feel the same way? I understand that this part is hypothetical, but I would really like people's opinions.

I would go out on a limb and bet that Philbin wouldn't do a press conference saying Martin never said anything. Based on what we know, Martin was probably wired for the things....and if Philbin is lying, he's in major trouble too. I can't imagine they'd advise him to lie about that.

And that's fine, but Bill Walsh may have also not known everything that happened in the locker room back then. I know for a fact that Charles Haley was in that locker room, and the dude was famous for doing lewd acts right in front of his teammates. He then went on to play for the Cowboys where there was stabbings and brothels and whatnot going on.

 

Than that should be the same for any discriminatory buzzword.Gay, *****, anything derogatory right?

 

I mean shouldn't roy hibbert be out of the league for saying homo?

Or are those slurs ok?

 

I agree

 

So where was the culliver/clemmons suspensions?Kobe bryant called the ref a ******. No outrage. No suspensions. But one player gets a n..i. ...out of his mouth and his carrer is over and the media has labeled him a cross burning cracker. Which is another seemingly ok racial slur...

 

Those guys should have been disciplined. and there was outrage by the way.

As for the rest of your post, I love when my fellow white people play the victim. It's funny.

 

Yeah he didn't use it against team mates he just threatened every black person in a stadium during a drunken tirade lol. Cmon the guy was given a pass after an apology, why can't Richie do the same?

 

Noones playing any victim. Yoyr seemingly saying the n word is worse than any other slur. Which its not especially in a normal workplace enviorment like all you martin apologists keep claiming it is.Call me a cracker all you want. But expect back something like you half nig. Because to me cracker isn't that funny. Just like how pouncey though the nword was funny and martin thinks its a huge problem to where he can't work anymore.

 

He was given a pass after he was initially banished from the team, and then the team decided what to do with him. Many of his teamates didn't want to let him back on the team but Vick, in particular, was very adamant about the guy getting a second chance.

Eventually they gave it to him.

As for Richie, when this story first broke, if he had apologized for his behavior, explained the situation and said he would never do it again, then maybe he would have had a chance. Instead, he ranted and raved like a loon on Twitter, depsite knowing that there were voice mails and texts out there that would make him look very bad.