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Martin's lawyer responds

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phins_Fan_87, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. 77FinFan

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    Good stuff. Funny stuff.
     
  2. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    If you're not mentally strong enough to protect yourself and your family then you're certainly not mentally strong enough to protect the skilled position players on your team.

    Coach Philbin looked very confident today. I think he has some tape. Hard Knocks filmed hours we never saw.
     
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  3. PlanB

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    Beat up by a rookie! LOL........
     
  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Name dropping andrew luck was definitely desperate. It just has nothing to do with anything. Just trying to prove Martin isn't a joke.

    Physical altercation took place? How has THAT not surfaced already? Unless it was, as others mentioned, a spat on the field. At which point, are you ****ing kidding me? Watch out nfl, lawsuits every training camp are coming!

    The text message **** needs to stop. these arent evidence of anything IMO. Good or bad. they are emotionless words that anyone can say to anyone (like the internet!) and are easily ignored.
     
  5. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    I am pretty sure someone earlier posted a link to reddit (i'll post it again in case people missed it) to someone that supposedly worked on Hard Knocks, and this person thinks its a money grab by Martin. Again, take it for what it's worth.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/1q2syj/hardknocks_crewmember_weighing_in/
     
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  6. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Except for the fact that I WAS active yesterday and was actively questioning both sides of this, as well as posters here. In fact, I even corrected myself after finding a source for something that I assumed most posters on here were simply speculating on. But why let things like facts get in the way of a good story, right?

    Yes, you played college football, yes I wrestled professionally. Yes, we both know traditional way of doing business and understand that joking around and pranking and normal rules do not apply. But there is also a limit. My suspicion is that Martin's grievances go beyond the normal types of hazing. I also believe that Martin is a different kind of cat than the average football player or professional wrestler.

    One of the main reasons I left the wrestling business was due to the atmosphere involved. The entire environment was riddled with toxic behavior and at a certain point, enough was enough. And for the record, I was never bullied and was certainly what one would consider, a part of the group.

    But despite what my experiences were or what yours were, that doesn't mean that that's what Martin's were. That's my point. And for the record, I haven't stated what my thoughts are about Martin or Incognito on this. Just that Martin was bullied by Incognito.

    I have, however, seen you weep all over the keyboard about how a 30 year old Incognito is unfairly losing his job over this (hence the Incognito doll reference). My opinion is that he deserves to lose his job because he sucks as a football player AND a person. You can't be both and expect to be employed for too long.

    It really doesn't matter though. You have your views on this, and I have mine. I am fully aware that most people on here want to thump their chest and talk about how unmanly Martin is for doing this and other nonsense. And that trying to put yourself in the other guy's shoes is pretty much frowned upon. I'm fine with that. I don't need to run with the pack on every issue.

    All I was saying was that this wasn't going to be over anytime soon. A do nice Richie's side counter punches this latest one, we will here even bigger accusations from Martin's side. It is not over and this whole ordeal is going to change the culture of this league forever. Rules will be put in place, and NFL sponsored programs for anti-bullying will be massive at a bare minimum. You can bank on that.


    Often times the bullied remain quiet and even try to be friends with their detractors in hopes of getting the bullying to stop. Ironically enough, it's that very behavior that most of time triggers the bully to do more bullying since they see it as okay to do since the bullied didn't stand up and say no.

    As for the saved texts and voicemails. It very well could have been saved by Martin with this in mind, or, he could simply just have had them on his phone and once he broke, realized he had actual evidence on his phone. I just checked my phone and have voicemails that go back to March 25th...which is the day I got this new phone. Not saving them for any reason whatsoever, I just haven't deleted them out of laziness.

    But, if I needed to provide something that someone said to me via voicemail, I now know that I have it if it happened after March 25th. My guess is that this is probably more along the lines of what Jon did. He flipped his wig, was sick of being bullied and once he spoke out, he knew he would have to back his claims, so he remembered the ignorant, horrid crap his teammates sent to him and that he still had it on his phone and, voila.
     
  7. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    So, let me get this straight. He is saying he was treated unfairly and the harassment went well beyond traditional NFL hazing. Well, where is the NFL PA complaint that most players will file when something like this effects them?

    There was a malicious attack on him? OK. Where's the police report?

    You mean to tell me that he didn't report either?

    Right now, this is a he said, they said situation. I don't see anyone coming out to verify what Martin is saying.

    Basically, this is a calculated attempt by Martin to continue to get paid while he doesn't have to play football. He was not mentally tough enough to handle the day to day grind of being a NFL player.
     
  8. Rocky Raccoon

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  9. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Only this is in a professional setting... Would this be acceptable in any work environment? No its an embarrassment to act like that.
     
  10. Fin D

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    There's been no credible evidence up to this point, that anyone bullied martin. The closest thing there was the VMs and its already been shown they were edited.

    If Martin was truly bullied, that would be one thing, but at this point what evidence have you seen that illustrates he was?
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    Jon Martin is the bully.

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  12. Stringer Bell

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    It's also becoming apparent that Martin is very likely a sociopath.

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  13. Rocky Raccoon

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    You can't compare the break room at Target to an NFL locker room. No one can. They try and they lose everytime.
     
  14. Fin D

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    Yes. Its acceptable in a professional sports setting.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    Re: Martin's lawyer respons

    Yes, in almost any profession where the profession is violence? These guys are paid to physically destroy an opponent.

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  16. Steve-Mo

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    You say that without knowing what a sociopath is, right?
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    Re: Martin's lawyer respons

    Yes, in almost any setting where the profession is violence? These guys are paid to physically destroy an opponent.

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  18. Stringer Bell

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    Re: Martin's lawyer respons

    Yes, in almost any setting where the profession is violence? These guys are paid to physically destroy an opponent.


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  19. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Apparently not or there wouldn't be this much of an outcry.
     
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  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    Yes, in almost any profession where the profession is violence? These guys are paid to physically destroy an opponent.
     
  21. Fin D

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    The outcry is from people not in professional sports. so yes, its appropriate in professional sports.

    Is it your contention that the Dolphins are entirely unique in this?
     
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  22. rtl1334

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    Martin's lawyer respons

    How can any act of bullying (and I'm being serious here) be worse than that sack where Suggs picked him up and tackled him into Tannehill? I have never seen a professional athlete get manhandled like that before. Maybe at that moment he realized he'll never be the player he envisioned and began a quick downward spiral.

    Bottom line, if he was playing at a competent level, none of this would be happening.


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  23. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Uhm...isn't that what this whole investigation is about? Figuring out if Martin's claims are true and what evidence he has to support that? I haven't heard anything about the voice mail being edited. What source do you have on that?

    As for if I think Martin was bullied or not, I believe he was, because this is classic behavior of a person who has been bullied over time, tries to avoid making waves by being silent or even pretending to accept it, before finally snapping in a Vesuvian fashion. His lawyer is correct in how textbook this is.

    And so far, just going off the racist, hateful voice mail Incognito left for him and a pretty alarming text about his sister someone else sent that was just released, he has a pretty damn good jumping off point. Not to mention the money/extortion issues from earlier in the week that have since been swept under the rug as juicier allegations surfaced.

    I couldn't give a **** about Incognito exposing his fat, bloated gut in a bar while bellowing. I roll my eyes that the most typical of jocks, sexually molested a volunteer at a golf course. It sheds the team in a bad light the longer they keep a dolt like him employed, but I suppose you know this is a risk when you bring someone like him in. Very much like what I said about Marshall.

    All I care about is that a lousy football player who has proven, time and time again, that he is an even worse human being, is at the center of the biggest controversy in the NFL because he has been bullying a fellow co-worker in an environment where he is rewarded for it as opposed to admonished like he would be anywhere else.

    But as I said before, I'm not looking to change anybody's minds on anything. The whole issue is a messy one since the very definition of bullying is subjective. I look at what has been reported so far and I see a classic bully who has been allowed to do what he wants for far too long and is now shocked that the bullied is fighting back in a way he doesn't understand (read: not swearing and punching things). I also know enough about the human condition and how lawsuits and cases work, to know that not everything has been revealed yet, on either side. Which is why I am fairly confident that this is going to get worse before it gets better, for all parties.

    Others see the same evidence and don't have a problem with any of it because this is simply what men in football do and Martin is a ***** for not just taking it, or even worse, not using his fists to solve it. Heck, la ton of posters have already made the leap that Martin is gay and should just admit it already. I would be lying if I said that very thought didn't float through my head too, at first. A product of male conditioning where if anyone shows any sort of vulnerability like Martin did, he must be gay.

    So I guess what I am saying is that, my opinion is that these charges from Martin have merit. The amount of merit they have is still to be determined.
     
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  24. BuckeyeKing

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    What about former players and players from other teams? Because there have been plenty that said this isn't okay.

    I don't see Miami coming out on top of this **** storm.
     
  25. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    LOL

    Where is this coming from?
     
  26. Rouk

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    This seems like text book prison yard ***** to me. Martin was incognitos ***** and this is why the whole defense of well incognito was always the 1st one to defend him is hilarious to me. Well that's how it works when you're someones ***** in prison they defend you because you're their property. This is also probably why his lawyers statement claims he tried to befriend them to stop the harassment. He most likely played off this stuff like it didn't effect him even though it was eating him up the whole time.
     
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  27. Stringer Bell

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    Re: Martin's lawyer respons

    Incognito was having sex with Martin???

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  28. Rouk

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    who knows at this point with all the stuff coming out every day LOL
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Re: Martin's lawyer respons

    He befriended people and assimilated himself into a social circle while compiling private conversations that he would then manipulate and release publicly.

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  30. JdReimon

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    Sounds like the job description of an international spy
     
  31. padre31

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    B/c, they are paid to stoke controversy, ask yourself this:

    You are on a set at BSPN, the agenda is set, Incognito=racist, bully is the narrative

    Do you suppose a single one of the "fmrs" is going to deviate from the narrative via saying "..gosh Chris, you were known for talking mad ish, and you Keyshawn, you went in on Chrebet b/c he was a white Wr, and you Jackson, are you telling me the 70's Raiders did not do far worse things.."?

    Uhm..yeah..thought so

    Mike Florio getting pissy is no cause for alarm folks, take a walk, calm down.
     
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  32. Fin D

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    The link to showing the messages having been edited have been posted a few times on this site. It was an Armando article. The simple fact of the matter is that VM's were a joke and all parties involved knew it was a joke. Martin even passed them around laughing about them. Other than that, there hasn't been any evidence other than the money for the Vegas Trip which also has been debunked.

    If you had said similar things to a friend, as a joke, would that be bullying...yes or no?

    At this point, your entire argument basically comes down to, Martin was bullied because Incognito is an *******.
     
  33. Fin D

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    Very few. What about all the ones that say this fine?
     
  34. BuckeyeKing

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    I seriously doubt active NFL players are there to stroke the media. I'm sure its different from locker room to locker room but clearly this isn't acceptable.
     
  35. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    The only notable are the ones that played with Incognito. I know Ricky Williams was very pro Incog in interviews. Do you know if there is a list of statements by all the players that have commented on this? Should be interesting.
     
  36. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Hmm, except that hasn't been proven on any level.

    He was rafted to this team, he didn't just hang around and infiltrate these guys. He was forced to play alongside these other guys in this environment. An environment where it is encouraged to be chummy with your line mates.

    No one has provided me with any evidence or even a legitimate speculative source outside of this website that Martin manipulated this voicemail. As for releasing it publicly, uhm, doesn't he have to prove his point? IF he didn't release anything, you all would still be killing him.

    Saving the messages is a non issue for me too. As stated previously in this thread, I myself have all of my voicemails on my phone since March. Does that make me a sociopath? No, it means I am lazy and don't hit delete. Martin could have very well had them on his phone for no other reason than they were there and he remembered after he snapped and realized he needed to back his claims.
     
  37. Fin D

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    you keep saying it is clearly not acceptable but have yet to explain why.

    If its so unacceptable how come the overwhelming support from current players is for Incognito?
     
  38. padre31

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    And his teammates, who know him, are some how less credible then say Antrel Rolle, who does not know him at all.

    I'm not an Inocgnito fan, have said time and again, think he is a bad offensive lineman this year, his disappearance does not bother me in a football sense.

    What does bother me is BSPN et al's mission to destroy, disparage, harrange, discredit, all things Miami Sports, that is blatantly obvious.

    To put it another way, BSPN gets how much per minute in commercials?

    100k?

    They have run literal HOURS on Richie Incognito
     
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  39. NUGap

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    Wut.

    One of the descriptors of Antisocial Personality Disorder described in the DSM-IV is:

    I think that would defeat your entire description of him as a sociopath.
     
  40. Fin D

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    Wiiliams, Murtha, Marshall, most of the current dolphins, Holt, a couple fo named former Dolphins etc. The only people that are bashing him are pundits and former players who are now pundits.

    Even if the numbers were close, that would prove it is not "clearly unacceptable".
     

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