How do Dolphins coach Joe Philbin, GM Jeff Ireland survive this?

Then I'm curious about what you have seen in him that makes you feel we should keep him?

 

In this scandal, based on the info we have, he did nothing wrong. He does not deserve to be fired for this scandal. If you feel he deserves to be fired for other stuff, then fine.

 

There are certainly a lot of things coming out in the media from those who have been around Joe previously that paint him as the model picture of values, morals, and integrity, and now we have a story about how the Dolphins had reservations about bringing Incognito back into the fold and only did so because of the lack of other options at the position. Joe can use this as a way to make a power play, by stating to Stephen that if he had his way, he would have gotten rid of both Martin and Incognito because of Martin's poor play and his reservations about bringing back Incognito, but that because of poor personnel decisions made by the GM, he was stuck with what he had.

With that said, it still doesn't absolve the fact that this coaching staff as a whole has not done a bang up job of putting the players into a position to be successful. I think there are certainly signs that player development is a strong suit of the staff with Vernon's development in his second year along with Michael Egnew's development. If Will Yeatman shows well the rest of the year if he continues to get playing time, then you can point to him as well. Ryan Tannehill has definitely been held back by his offensive line, but he has shown some progress and has shown some in season growth.

I think the players that have shown nothing (Jonathan Martin, Dallas Thomas) are simply just guys that will very likely not be able to play at this level. It will be interesting to see what happens with Thomas if this staff stays and gets the opportunity to work with him through the off-season. I find it highly unlikely that he will be ready to push for a starting spot next year, but he may be salvageable.

 

Again look to the person doing the drafting.....

 

I don't disagree with most of that. I think some of our problems have been coordinator & talent related. I think we need to get younger at OC, because older OCs suffer from Acute Danhenningplexia (a condition that strikes older OCs who have seen it all and tend to outsmart themselves by getting too cute in key situations). Based on info we've heard in Club, the talent issues seem to be 100% Ireland's fault and am why I'm finally on the fireland bandwagon.

I like the way Philbin manages the game. I agree with most of his in game decisions, clock management, when to go for it, etc too.

 

If Ross keeps Ireland he will get what he deserves. More mediocrity and less and less fans in the stadium

 

The ****s on NFL Countdown are going to town on the golf incident, Philbin is going to have to answer why he buried it and then rewarded him with a leadership role. Like I have said this is a BIG problem for the coach.

 

His peers voted him there. Not awarded by the coach.

 

If Cogs really has damning texts he needs to release them already, I'm sick of this crap, they not went hard on us for the golf incident but everything else, whatever Martin is selling they are buying hook line and sinker.

 

I know as I made note of it earlier but it don't matter, he should have taken his name out of the hat, its still Philbin's call, like it or not.

 

I can't see how you tell the team not to vote for someone. If that's the case. You release that person if you feel that way.

 

Why not? Players don't ever get punished by the coach?

 

Sure they do. But not by taking their ability of being a locker room leader

 

Btw they mentioned also there is a SECOND incident by Cogs but gave no details.

 

Philbin's in a no-win spot. Only way he comes back is if the team somehow manages to have an impeccable record this second half of the season and makes a playoff run. Just win. Because no one remembers that one player's two, yes two alleged rape instances. Or that other guy's obstruction of justice. Hell, even in the mediocre franchises, there was that other guy who killed his own family, or that other guy who killed his own team mate while driving under the influence.

Or remember that one Superbowl-winning receiver who everyone thought was an upstanding citizen until he shot a dude, who later mysteriously turned up dead in Philly? No?

Oh but those were off the field incidents that had nothing to do with the coach.

Bears repeating that in this case, Philbin is in a no-win spot, unless he can win games.

 

Who says they still can't be a leader in the locker room? Can't they do it without that status? I'm sure there is no way Philbin could have foreseen this biting him in the *** but he's still responsible, I mean ain't this council Philbin's baby? Not that it really matters.

 

I just disagree. If you don't want someone with that status. Then they shouldn't be on the team.

 

You tell them to vote for someone else. You can do a lot of things. You can take Richie in the office and say "People who fondle women with golf clubs don't get to be on my leadership council. I'll give you a season to prove you're better than that and we'll re-evaluate next year."

 

Then what difference does it make if he's the council? You're arguing that he shouldn't have been ion the player voted leadership council, but he could have just been a player appointed leader. Seems like semantics and doesn't solve any problem. Leaders are decided by the followers, whether they officially vote for them or unofficially follow them.

 

I agree. It just makes Philbin look better in all of this to not have officially acknowledged Incognito as any team leader. He can't control players deciding to follow his lead but some things he can control. I like Philbin but this whole golf situation doesn't seem good.

 

It makes Philbin culpable, people are going to make the case he approves on this behavior. And you guys are missing my point, myself I don't think its that big of a deal but to the outsiders who want to hang our team, its absolute gold.

 

The golf situation doesn't seem good, but there were no formal charges brought against Cogs either. Had their been, I doubt he'd be on the team. Since there weren't charges, I'm not sure its proven to have happened. Again, Hernandez was on a team with all kind of accusations and actual police recorded suspicions of murder and gun trafficking...and the "greatest" coach of ESPN's life kept him around until the charges were formal...and he was much better at his TE job than Cogs was at his LG job.

I genuinely feel that the concept of Philbin doesn't look good is really just a self fulfilling prophecy. People say he should be in trouble simply because he's the coach, therefore he should be in trouble because he the coach. Meanwhile, he actually did nothing wrong or out of the ordinary in the NFL.

 

It sounds like you're agreeing with me lol

 

Those people are going to decide what they decide regardless, we've already seen that so far. Pretty much every major accusation has been debunked or explained away, but people are still holding on to their bias colored beliefs.

 

Yes they will but before they had nothing but loose accusations, NOW they got something.

 

More accusations and still no proof though, no?

 

Has there ever been a Dolphins article that is even hinting on negative that you don't consider absurd?

 

Mike Silver just said it's unlikely that Ireland and Philbin survive this. Mort said several team executives fear for their jobs including Ireland, says he's unlikely to survive also.

 

Greg Schiano was alleged to have tampered with Captain votes to keep Freeman from winning a slot and got absolutely crucified for it. I don't care what you say, if that came out in regard to Philbin, you'd say he's a bad coach for going against his players.

Let's be real here, we got mad at Sherman when Incognito agreed that we should run the ball more. Imagine if the whole locker room went against Philbin. .

Schiano will never be a winner in Tampa Bay because his players hate him and Joe would have been in the same situation.

 

You're saying the golf incident never happened? What in bloody hell was Philbin referring to when he talked about it? It happened.

 

lol No. It happened and Philbin dealt with it. They didn't file charges so what else would you think would happen now?

 

Yes. Any and all articles that came out during Parcells/Sparano era.

I've complied the evidence that debunks virtually all of what has been alleged. In spite of that, everyone angry has yet to change their already held belief. That tells me one side is being rational the other side isn't.

For example, based on certain info from the Club, I'm now in the fireland camp. That's pretty powerful proof I'm willing to change my stance as new info comes to light.

 

Where did I say he had to tampered the vote count? If you take him out of the voting you don't have to tamper nothing.

 

That's funny right there, don't care who you are.......lol

 

The whole point of the council is that the players decide who represents them. You start telling them who can and cannot be in it, undermines the whole thing.

 

Guys we are talking sexual assault here, this is not some small team violation like breaking curfew. This is BAD.

 

Its inaccurate is what it is.

I find hilarious that people like yourself, whose stance never wavers based on any info, has the hypocritical audacity to claim I'm biased.

 

No it doesn't.

 

He says he dealt with it but how?

 

Yes it does.