The Skillset that made Ryan Tannehill the #8 overall pick

The LEAST of our problems is Tannehill.

 

he absolutely scores there. I was pissed too. IMO it was the only mistake he made all game.

Tannehill is 100% our guy IMO (not that that matters). I've seen him do everything and more. We'd be nothing without him right now.

 

All this with the worst offensive line in football.

 

I keep on reading the problem with roll outs is that they cut the field in half. However I constantly see roll out plays be successful in the NFL. I am not saying that the Dolphins should run mostly roll outs, however they should run more than 2 or 3 a game.

 

i look at tannehill and i see joe philbin. he has totally taken his personality. i dont see any fire from this kid. he sounded like a robotic, emotionless philbin at the post game podium.

 

It all comes back to the offensive line.

I think Tannehill is "the guy" for a decade. We need to surround him with competence.

 

Yes, but after a meltdown loss to a horrible team and ten days of media bombardment, the first thing you post afterwards is a thread on Tannehill. Just seems kind of a strange time to bring this up for the 10,000th time when there are obviously much bigger problems.

 

You realize he smacked the ground in frustration after Clay droped one of his passes right?

 

Im not baffled by it at all. He understands how to make reads and progressions. He ****s up once in a while but imo these are just growing pains. Most QB's have them. The accuracy has been there for the most part.

I dont want my QB running to be honest. It has its moments but if you do it regularly all it does is lead to more injuries (see Vick, RG3 etc). Last year Aaron Rodgers got sacked 1 out of every 11 dropbacks, Tannehill is at 1 of 8 this year. All running the ball means is youre more likely to get hit almost every time. If Tannehill drops back 32x hes getting 4 sacks and numerous other hits. All youre doing is getting your QB more beat up. Gimme a pocket QB all day. QB's should only be running after all other options have been exhausted and the pocket has collapsed. If the pocket is still in tact and its integrity hasnt been compromised, you dont run imo. The ball moves faster when you throw it.

Also, Im not a Mike Sherman fan but the one thing hes done right is this.

 

that it?

 

Im sure the coaches tell him to gut it out in the pocket and thats the right move most of the time. Hes got to make a split second decision and take off when he sees a TD though. He has to know when to run and when not to. If he can score, hes got to go for it.

This is all way easier said as a fan seeing the replay tho, I'll admit. it's a split second decision.

 

wasn't clay, it was the wallace deep ball that wallace made ZERO effort to catch in bounds. Wallace did beat revis and the ball was off, but it would not have been impossible for wallace to stay in bounds on that play. But its wallace so he doesn't even try.

I ****ing hate that man.

 

I don't know what else he did, I don't presume to know about how people react to events when I have ZERO way of knowing.

 

I agree with this sentiment. Ryan frankly isn't good enough to just be a pocket passer IMHO. What I mean by that is that for Ryan to really be successful, he needs 4 or 5 runs per game in some manner...either designed or scrambling.

It could be Ryan holding Ryan back for all I know

 

Ya that was fairly disappointing to see him not tuck and run on that play...disheartening.

I'm fully of the belief the main problem here is Sherman. With the exception of that 2nd TD pass to Matthews, dull, predictable, sometimes senseless play-calls in my opinion.

If the goal for this season was to cement RT in the pocket, they've certainly achieved it. I like his progress to this point and still have trust that he'll be our guy at QB for several years...but I also think the QB coach and OC need to bounce.

 

Yep. Any further in and Revis has a shot at it, and we all know how good Wallace is at fighting for it.

Also notice how Wallace is also bent on catching that one with his body, even as he goes out of bounds for it.

Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4

 

peyton manning has one rushing td this season, how about tanny?

 

You can almost guarantee Hartline makes that catch in bounds.

 

Eh he could have run on THAT play but the pass he made was on target. The receiver didnt make the play. If the receiver makes the play we arent having the discussion that way either. Overall though its helping us long term in Tannehills development. I want him learning to hold that ball and how to throw under pressure. Eli, Peyton, Kurt Warner, Brees, brady....theyre all great QBs and Im not sure Tannehill will ever meet THOSE lofty standards but one thing he can do is learn to hold the ball like those guys and wait for the play to develop. Those guys take or took hits like crazy all in the name of waiting just a hair longer for the play to develop. On the play in question what Tannehill needed was better pocket awareness to know that once he stepped up the pass rush was 3-5 yards behind him. He could have even waited another second for a guy to appear open.

 

he does have one...it was a sneak but it still counts.

 

Ryan is not the issue. I can see how he may have looked like the issue in week 4 but by now...anyone with real knowledge of the game knows he's good, and is being held back by a completely inept O-line and idiotic playcalling.

 

It's a fair criticism IMO, and while I think the coaches are partly to blame I don't think RT should get a free pass. Ultimately he's the QB, he's not in danger of being benched so he basically can go out there, make plays when the feeling hits him and the coaches couldn't do a damn thing about it. It's like the coaches telling Wake to use more spin moves, if he wants to he will, if not, what are they gonna do, sit him?

My best guess is they want him to focus down field and let the protections take care of themselves, Pouncey does most of the protection calls from what I can tell. As he gets more experience I'm sure they'll begin to put more on his plate.

 

True, but Tannehill is also the guy with the best chance of improving the team via individual improvement.

Just run/scramble a few times, it doesn't have to highlight reel material, just enough to make the defense take note of it. That would make a big difference IMO.

 

I don't think he'd be "the guy" if he were surrounded by incompetence.

 

I absolutely agree RT needs to err towards caution and pick his spots carefully, but his legs are a major asset and on a night like tonight when we had no running game whatsoever maybe a couple read options should have been called.

Scramble a few times and all of a sudden the pass rushers have to be more disciplined in their rush, the LB's can't drop quite as deep as they may otherwise, coordinators may choose to play more zone or be forced to use a spy when they play man.

I think we're past the point where we can pick and choose which weapons we use and which ammo we leave in the chamber. We need to make use of EVERY advantage we have.

 

I don't think Tannehill would have scored had he ran that. He would have gotten stopped a couple of yards short of the 1st down marker and had 3rd and two from about the 5 yrd line? Tannehill's accuracy is adequate though inconsistent. There have been many occasions where he had an open field and chose not to take the free yards, rather throw the ball and gotten more yards that way than had he ran. He trusts his arm but he had a drop by Clay followed by a even worse drop by Hartline in the endzone.

 

hes still a problem. cant throw deep accurately, cant hit receivers in stride, cant rally the team / bring them back for a win. not our franchise quarterback and time to clean house.

 

His post and your post are not mutually exclusive.

 

[video=youtube;jRKz82v5JQY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRKz82v5JQY[/video]

 

I dunno if its an edict, but it may just been drilled into his so much earlier, its the way he plays now. I dunno.

This is flabbergasting. Its bizarre.

I can give you 60 million explanations.