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Yep, still Tannehill's fault.

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  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    That's what your whining sounds like when scapegoating Wallace for missing an acrobatic catch on an off target throw after already hauling in 5 for 127, 1 TD, and getting open downfield for what would've been a backbreaker had Tannehill not overthrown him by fourteen zip codes. Wallace gave Tannehill an opportunity for an extra 100 yards and 2 additional TDs if he didn't overthrow or underthrow him again.

    I hadn't enjoyed Wallace's play thus far this year but he was clearly NOT the reason Miami lost. If anything he provided Tannehill multiple opportunities to win it w/o the need for last second heroics.
     
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  2. DePhinistr8

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    Alligator armed mofo......has he made a catch all year where he's extended his arms?
     
  3. ToddPhin

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    I know right. I was the first person here to start lobbying for us to draft him [back in November 2011 when it was viewed as crazy talk], but now I'm suddenly a Tannehill hater just b/c I'm criticizing him this game. WTF ever. You know it's a sad sad poster when the best he can do is attempt to discredit our arguments by stupidly calling us anti Tannehill fans who couldn't possibly say anything critical about Tannehill unless we had some sort of bias against him. I've seen some dumb stuff in my day but this takes the cookie. It'd be like me calling you gay just b/c you're not a fan of Cuchulainn's ole lady's heavily lopsided milk bags. We all know that's not why you're gay.
     
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  4. Fin D

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    This is effing ridiculous.

    Tannehill connecting on deep passes all day, but Wallace drops ANOTHER deep ball that he gets his hands on and this one was thrown over 60 yards while being leveled....and its Tannehill's fault? Really? Effing really?

    Matthews drops a ball in the endzone, but Tannehill didn't do enough to win? Really?

    There's games where the running game disappears and its Tannehill's fault? Really?

    We have 3 starting oline missing but Tannehill has breakdowns? Really?

    Our oline couldn't protect Tannehill allowing him less than 2.5 seconds to throw, but its Tannehill's fault? Really?
     
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  5. FinNasty

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    Not to mention that pass is 63 yards in the air...
     
  6. Fin-Omenal

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    It's NOT all Tannehill's fault, but it's not all Wallace's fault either.

    It's the people who insist the last heave to the end zone was somehow Wallace's fault that are the punch line.
     
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  7. Fin D

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    It is his fault. He got his hands on the ball. That has always been the universal measuring stick for making a catch....until the defend Wallace brigade at all costs, that is.

    You know what was harder than having to make that catch? Making a catchable 60+ yard throw while getting slobber knocked.

    If Marino threw the exact same ball, everyone would be blasting Wallace. Tannehill threw for over 300 yrds and should have had 2 more TDs but WRs dropped the ball, literally.
     
  8. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Dead on...

    After reading your (fantasic) article last week... the problem was glaring to me as soon as it happened. That "underthrown" 57 yard completion was a 60+ yard throw in the air. To hit Wallave in stride... he would have had to throw that 70+...

    I know Tannehill has a cannon... but that's beyond dumb...
     
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  9. Kud_II

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    Must be joking. Mike Wallace single handedly kept us in the game.

    I think Mike was so shocked he finally got a decent deep ball he got excited and dropped it.
     
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  10. JMHPhin

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    No you ignorance and blind fixation to RT being the issue is boring.

    You post a diatribe that says nothing as a counter to CK as if all you have to do is post words and it makes it smart.

    Yes Marino was a better down the field passer than Ryan, that wasn't the point, great diversion of the point by the way, but this is cloning when you can't debate the point, which is hitting the receiver in full stride where wr makes no adj is rare. Most passes over 40 require the wr to adjust speed, angle to the ball. Watch the elite qbs as critically as you do tannehill and see if their wr Jang making adj on the ball in the air. But that would destroy your argument

    Do I wish RT was better? Sure. But he can hit the deep pass contrary to your belief.

    I see a ton of pointing to ind play Ryan could have made that would have won the game never considering that it would also change how Car called their game or how the threat of run is nonexistsnt the defense has 0 respect for it making harder to hit deep. Or the biggest thing how about holding the vaunted defense to such high standards? 1 hold on 4th and long is expecting too much , no we blame tannehills incomplete in the 1 st qtr for putting the defense in that position. That's why it is a ridiculous argument

    Ryan isn't perfect, he is young and being asked to carry this offense with no help. Yet we make excuses for why week after week in the 4th qtr the defense can't get off the field. And the tired bs excuse is just that, bs. They weren't too tired to get them in 3rd n long or to 4th down. And an offense doesn't need to score to give defense rest, all that is required is don't go 3 and out consecutively and the O got 1st downs
     
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  11. Fin-Omenal

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    Arguing with you is pointless, you have to separate your anger from a certain player before you can have an open mind. Something I have never seen you do once around here.

    You *****ed last week Wallace doesn't "fight" for the ball or give the "effort" yet the only two big plays they connect on Wallace had to make the effort to fight for more poor passes.

    You have an axe to grind and some serious personal issues if you STILL continue to blame Mike Wallace.
     
  12. Fin-Omenal

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    It's a debate, it's not going to be super polite. You can't police things that close or the forum becomes a bore. I agree with you on the same angry old men blow a gasket if you call RT less than perfect, but we are all still fighting for the same cause.
     
  13. JMHPhin

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    It's not all wallace's fault either that's the point, its s combo of things like Sherman not fully understanding what RT and wallace do well and not do well and designing plays that mesh to strengths. RT isn't going to get rid of the ball in timing with Wallace if as CK says there is a play fake involved when Wallace foes a straight go. Tannehill can't get it off as quick as he needs to, ad an OC you need to see and compensate for that by shotgun no fake.
     
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    I hate autocorrect by the way, my typos are the result of autocorrect.
     
  15. Ronnie Bass

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    I'm a HUGE Tanny fan and the being called a troll because I dared to put most of the blame on him yesterday is ****ing BS man, no need for it and the same inmates are allowed to do it again and again, I got better things to do quite honestly.
     
  16. Fin D

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    WTF are you even talking about?

    All I've seen you do is felate Wallace and refuse to acknowledge anything is wrong with his game with anything other than the vague, "he could do better".

    Wallace has not fought for the ball...fact.
    Wallace has dropped deep balls that he got his hands on...fact.
    No QB hits all of his deep balls...fact.
    No QB hits the WR in stride on all of their deep ball completions...fact.
    You still think every deep ball thrown by Tannehill that is incomplete is solely Tannehill's fault....fact.

    Again no other receiver in the league would be defended for not fighting for the ball and dropping tough catches he gets his hands on. I guarantee you, most people on this board have a better chance of making that catch then making that throw.
     
  17. DePhinistr8

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    I don't have a problem with a play fake to help hold the safety in place so Wallace can blow by the coverage, the problem (as CK pointed out) is the design.

    Someone posted highlights of some bombs big Ben threw to Wallace that hit him in stride, and each was a straight play fake from center (no sprint fake right or left), hit the back foot and heave.

    Our play fakes seem to consist of play action either right or left (not straight back to the RB), then a rollout, then a heave. That extra 1-2 seconds makes a HUGE difference to a guy with that amount of speed. The play actions need to be simplified, but nothing has shown that Sherman is willing to change ANYTHING.
     
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  18. Fin-Omenal

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    I have no idea what you did between 1pm and 430pm yesterday afternoon. It obviously wasn't watching a football game.

    And typical Fin D fashion, you PRETEND me or anyone says he needs to complete ALL his deep passes, or needs to ALWAYS hit his WR in stride. Yep, that's what we are saying. How about just ONE when a WR is open by 5 yards!?!? Oh wait, he doesn't trust him enough to make a good pass....I almost forgot.:lol:
     
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    I'm a Rt fan myself, although I'm certainly not afraid to admit when he has a flaw.
     
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  20. Fin D

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    He. Did. Hit. Him. But. Wallace. Dropped. The. Ball.

    What is so hard to understand about that?

    That's why I'm saying you expect 100% completion rate with all of them hitting him in stride, because if that doesn't happen, then its the QBs fault IYO. Wallace gets his hands on the ball but drops it...QBs fault. Wallace had to alter his speed...QBs fault. Wallace has a tiny catch radius because he won't fight for the ball....QBs fault.

    I say again that throw was tougher than that catch....especially when one is a seasoned $60million vet and the other is 2nd year player.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    This is ridiculous. Tannehill threw the football expecting Wallace to adjust to the football in the air smoothly. Instead what happened is Wallace bobs and weaves, looks over the wrong shoulder for the football, and that's somehow on Tannehill. Because I guess he's supposed to use his RC remote control to control the football in the air once he's already thrown it, so that he can steer it toward the wrong shoulder that Wallace looked for the ball on. Right. That makes sense.

    Yes, Wallace needed to turn up the field. It's called tagging a route. When you get into an extended time situation such as this one, you tag your route with another route so that you're not just sitting still or traveling right to where there's another zone defender. In this case Wallace was supposed to tag his route vertically.

    It was WALLACE who chose to pop out of the tag by looking over the wrong shoulder for the football. The ball had already been thrown by the time he tagged. He was already looking back at it. He should have known which angle to cut and which shoulder to look back for the ball on. People want Tannehill to have thrown the ball further left. Why? So that Wallace can be even FURTHER from the football when he pops his head up over the wrong shoulder?

    Wallace went through all that because he couldn't judge the football in the air. Which he does a lot.
     
  22. Pariah

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    Yet you joined the site in July 2012, after we drafted Ryan.
     
  23. JMHPhin

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    Still no blame for the defense, that's the argument. Why do you guys think you are being anymore objective in you're analysis than what you are accusing us for? If you don't get it then that's the point.

    Noone has answer to why its all on tannehill when the defense had s chance to make ONE play, and we win, and that is undebatable. Yet we are supposed to say you are so smart and objective because your willing to say an individual play in the 3rd qtr cost is the game!

    Football is an accumulation of plays

    I love how RT bashers are being unfairly picked on yet you all can dismiss arguments to your point by ignoring a counter was ever made.

    Frustrating to have the team not get it done. Then come here and find the same argument -> RT should have made more plays so the defense didn't have to do what they get paid for.
     
  24. Pariah

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    Man what we could do with a GOOD O.C.
     
  25. Fin D

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    This is his second go. He used to be here under a different name.
     
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    Wallace was burning that secondary all day long, we should of scored 2-3 more touchdowns but Tannehill's inaccuracy cost us that im sorry. I want him to be the answer but week in and week out I see Wallace having to slow down and come back to the ball putting the defender back in play. Wallace has to be hating life right now, to me this is a testament on how poise Wallace is because if it were TO, CHad or any other diva they would of been whining to the reporters about how the qb isnt getting him the ball. My numbers might be skewed here a bit because im going off memory but I am pretty sure he missed deep to Wallace 4 times, 3 overthrows and one underthrow, he did finally hit on that 53 yarder but even that play was underthrown and sloppy. I want this as much as the next fan but the more I see it the more I see a pattern. We might want to keep an eye open for a QB this offseason.
     
  27. Fin-Omenal

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    The degree of difficulty on a catch like that is higher than you obviously realize.

    The difference between some of us and some of you is we realize a play like that doesn't get completed very often, and BOTH players could've executed it better.

    And again you sure as hell didn't pay attention to to Wallace's play overall in that game. Because your still claiming he doesn't fight or make an effort for 110 yards worth of plays HE MADE.

    Wallace cooked you up a thanksgiving portion of CROW, and instead of manning up and taking it your only hope to save face is blame him for not making a catch that rarely you see get made.

    You lose.
     
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  28. Pariah

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    I'm going to have to put CK's analysis intoa word doc that I can just copy and paste from every time I see someone say that Tannehill is underthrowing his receivers. It's like no matter how many times CK posts the answer to that complaint, people still want to tuck their heads in the sand, and keep repeating the same erroneous things.
     
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  30. ToddPhin

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    just b/c other aspects of the team break down at inopportune times it doesn't excuse it when it happens to our QB when nothing happens to be breaking down around him at the time. He's not void of any and all accountability you know. He was sacked just once through the first 3 quarters BTW and even the announcers noted how the protection was fairly good most of the game. So whose fault is it for Tannehill missing on 6 of 7 third & manageable situations? Whose fault was it that we couldn't score a TD on 7 trips inside Panthers territory? Tannehill is absolved from all of it?

    Righhht, blame Wallace for missing an incredibly tough catch on an off target throw to end the game but don't blame Tannehill for missing a wide open Wallace for an easy TD to put the game out of reach when Wallace was actually doing what we paid him for for once. And I'm not sure why you're fluffing Tannehill for connecting on throws to a wide open receiver that the scrubs of the league can make. Those were expected completions by how far Wallace was open, yet one fell badly incomplete and the other left no room for a YAC TD. You can start fluffing him once he's hitting those throws in stride like the great QBs of the league do.
     
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  31. Fin D

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    Blah, blah, blah.

    You're not even making sense anymore. How am I the one that doesn't realize that play doesn't get completed very often, when that's what I've been saying?

    I think the real problem here is not me, but per usual, your argument is ridiculous. CK has already made numerous posts explaining why that play failed was 75% Wallace & 25% play calling. But you stick to your bs. You keep talking about the degree of difficulty of that catch but refuse to acknowledge the difficulty of that catch is just getting to the point of getting your hands on the ball, which Wallace did. From that moment, its no longer tough but that's the part he failed. You also have yet to acknowledge the significantly higher difficulty of that pass. Few NFL QB's could make that pass without getting hit let alone while getting creamed.
     
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  32. Fin D

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    I've never seen you so far on the wrong side of an issue.

    The throw was harder than the catch and CK has already explained to you, in a number of different ways, how Wallace made that catch tougher than he should have. And I rarely agree with CK.

    It feels like you wanted that win so bad, you just started blaming Tannehill and are laser focused on him now.
     
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    What was his name before and why would he change it?
     
  34. Fin-Omenal

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    You guys gotta grow up and start living your own life, if CK jumped off a bridge, would you??

    Alen and even gay Todd to a degree put in a great deal of effort on breaking down plays, why aren't you asking them on a date?
     
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    This right here shows how ridiculous you are. I'm a staunch supporter of Tannehill, genius.... and have OPENLY been so since advocating his drafting long before you knew who the heck he was. But no, like Ronnie B just stated, apparently Tannehill can only be criticized if the poster has some sort of agenda against him. Stop bringing down the quality of this forum with this pompous nonsense that suggests that your opinion is God and anything that opposes it has to be bias based.
     
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    I've been a big Tannehill supporter and still am. I did place some blame on him for some of the bad deep throws. He seems to always be a little bit slow getting them off. He's got the arm, theres no doubt about it, but he just needs to be a split second faster. I think the game can start to slow down for him and these things can be corrected. I don't think he can overcome a coaching staff that coaches not to lose, we have Wannestadt II here right now and its not going to work. Hopefully we get a new staff in and we can salvage the best Qb talent-wise that we've had since Marino.

    I do think that last pass was a lot harder to catch than a lot of people here do. I think given the situation its hard to get really upset at Tannehill but that throw made Wallace turn around and right there most receivers are not going to make that catch. The mentality that "he had a hand on it should catch it" is great but really its not realistic. He had that CB absolutely owned and it should have been an easy TD connection but given the circumstances and how much money he makes its fair to blame him, I get it. I love Tannehill but I did have some criticism of him during the game and afterwards. I know how little he is helped by the Oline and the Running game AND the coaching staff so I've tempered things a bit after sleeping on it but honestly he needs to come in with the mentality that he's going to take chances, let it rip and if this coaching staff doesn't like it then **** them.
     
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  38. Fin D

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    Yeah....I'm the problem here.:pity:
     
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    Grow up, act your age and stop violating the TOS. I expect it from somebody from NJ though.
     
  40. Fin D

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    Toddphins...something.

    He's a solid poster with a lot of knowledge, he's just very wrong this one time....and about Game of Thrones. Other than that, he's usually right.
     
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