Genesis for this : So I went back and looked at his 2012 season: 484 att 58% completions 205 ypg 1 300 yd game 12 Td's 13 int's 3,115 yds 2013: 451 att 62% completions 258 ypg 4 300 yd games 17 Td's 13 int's 3,294 yds More ypg, more Td's higher completion percentage, and more 300 yd games This through 12 games, at his current rate of 258 ypg, he will break the 4k barrier barring something bizarre, this behind an offensive line that has to take out restraining orders against defenders to keep him from being killed And -0- running game consistency That fellas, is what an ascending player looks like, the improvement is undeniable As for his running out of the pocket: 2012 48 rushes, 214 yds 2013 34 rushes 164 yds When he runs, he avg's 4.8 ypa, which also makes him our best runner. Safe to say, the hated "Fiedler Field" of 20 Td's being our Qb's ceiling is going to be broken this yr.
Grabs popcorn and soda and waits for those that disagree to somehow argue those stats mean nothing.. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
Hmm, I'll be one of the first to disparage the use of bulk stats, however, they do show trends. That is a proper use of stats (imo) his trend line is mostly vertical His one stat flaw is 4th qtr scoring, he went on a cold streak probably due to lack of a running game
I got really down on him at points of this season but I stand by my preseason assertion that mid third year is when we'll know about him definitively. This year is better with a couple new pieces to get used to.
Tannehill already looks like one of the better WC QBs in the league 15 yards and in. Once he starts exploiting defenses deep?? It's bad news for the opposition. I hope nobody still would take RG3 over Tannehill... I remember that argument. I would take Ryan over that guy anyday of the week.
Four things to continue to work on.. Touch passes, it's not comfortable to him, it's not natural. Anticipating his pocket outlets. Lower body quickness, upper body strength. The ability to use his upper body/shoulders to manipulate defenders.
True that is the key. With a more successful running game, he would have fewer attempts and fewer yards. What he has done with his attempts has been an improvement. He needs to continue to take care of the ball, now more than ever as he and the team have used up their entire margin for error this year.
We are 6-3 in games were he turns the ball over 1 time or less. In 3 of our losses, he had 10 turnovers. You just aren't going to win football games when you turn it over that much.
Definitely needs to anticipate better, especially on his secondary reads. Sometimes it seems when the comeback route to Hartline is covered...he struggles to find anyone else besides the check down. Again, in the back of his mind I'm sure he is wondering if he is about to have his head taken off.
I think he needs his own Darren Sproles type of Rb, where he can checkdown and they create for him. And for a WCO style Qb, we do not use the Rb's in the passing game nearly as much
Hmm, I think that is w/o basis, his Int vs the Panthers was an insane 6 defenders tipped the ball then came down with it, his Int vs the Jest was a tipped pass affair. His last pure, bad read int, was against TB when a defender left his man and picked him off.
I envision Pads smoking a Nicaraguan cigar watching old A-Team episodes on Netflix...With guest star Rodney Dangerfield, eh
Let me preface my post by saying, it is clear as day that Ryan has improved. It is also clear he can improve and needs to improve in certain areas. I am just waiting until year 3 before I decide what type of NFL QB Tannehill will be. Now on to these stats.... Exhibit A Year 1: 2444 yards 12 TDs 20 INTs 10 Fumbles 6.7 YPA 1 Game winning drive Year 2: 3291 yards 17 TDs 13 INTs 9 Fmb 6.5 YPA 6 GWD Exhibit B Year 1: 3398 yards 20 TDs 13 INTs 5 Fmb 6.6 YPA 4 GWD Year 2: 3669 yards 27 TDs 16 INTs 4 Fmb 6.9 YPA 3 GWD Exhibit C Year 1: 1855 yards 10 TDs 18 INTs 10 Fmb 6.4 YPA 2 GWD Year 2: 3451 yards 25 TDs 6 INTs 7 Fmb 7.3 YPA 5 GWD Exhibit D Year 1: 3294 yards 12 TDs 13 INTs 9 Fmb 6.8 YPA 1 GWD Year 2: 3115 yards 17 TDs 13 INTs 8 Fmb 6.9 YPA 1 GWD Exhibit E Year 1: 793 yards 5 TDs and 8 INTs 2 Fmb 6.8 YPA 1 GWD Year 2: 3787 yards 29 TDs and 19 INTs 2 Fmb 7.2 YPA 2 GWD Exhibit F Year 1: 373 yards 2 TDs and 4 INTs 4 Fmb 5.7 YPA 0 GWD Year 2: 2426 yards 13 TDs and 8 INTs 12 Fmb 6.6 YPA 2 GWD Needless to say. There are QUITE a few QBs that improved from year 1 to 2 that didnt become great QBs. Ryan's current numbers mean nothing in regards to his long term success. He needs to continue to improve and improve in other areas.
This is just false. Those tipped balls were bad throws or reads. In the Panthers game he had an awful throw that was an easy INT dropped. Lets not make excuses for "tipped" balls. These things tend to even out.
Lack of names tend to not let people make up their mind from anything other then stats. Ray Finkle plays this game in the MLB thread all the time. You would be surprised what players you would take based on their name more then what they actually produce. Stats tend to show more "truths" in baseball, but same type of thinking.
Nice post. Not only are the stats better, but we can just see him playing better. I think as his pocket presence continues to improve, big strides will be made. We are seeing that now really. Watching Russell Wilson right now, he's the only QB of the last 2 drafts i would take over RT right now for certain. He is playing lights out. Plus I like his attitude as much as Tanny. Phins up!!! (that's right I said it) Edit: Olivier Vernon is the Gruden Grinder!!! Well deserved - not only the sacks, but all tackles to go with them.
Watched Brady with ALL DAY to throw hit Gronk for a TD yesterday , and then I noticed how close 17's stats for the day was to Brady . Sun 12/1 @ HOU W 34-31 29 41 371 70.7 9.05 50 2 1 91.1 104.8 0 0 0.0 0 0 Sun 12/1 @ NYJ W 23-3 28 43 331 65.1 7.70 31 2 1 66.7 94.2 3 22 7.3 18 0 2013:
The last few games he has escaped the pocket for positive yards , wondering if he was "encouraged" to not take off earlier this year? Kind of think he was , at least partially.
Everyone knows I'm not sold on him. For me, he has better talent, and has more opportunities/attempts. Naturally numbers will increase. This is purely a gut feeling, biased and infused with previous letdowns of past QBs. When I see Tannehill, I see Jay Cutler as a ceiling. To me Tannehill is too inconsistent. He isn't reliable. I'm ok with being the detractor on this. There are other guys I'm really excited about. I just see Tannehill's inconsistency as a problem, not a chance to improve. I hope I'm wrong.
2.88% Int ratio is perfectly acceptable, especially since he is forcing more passes this year. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Ironically, what will keep Ryan from becoming elite is that he doesn't have a Jay Cutler mentality. To me he seems to sometimes try to be to precise rather than just THROWING the football. So to me I see Rich Gannon as a best case scenario comparison.
Nice! One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of bulk stats is there is no addition or subtraction for variables such as the quality of the offensive line play, are the Wr's established and talented, does the D tilt the field with turnovers leading to easier scores etc? Objectively, Tannehill IS playing much better then he did in 2012, I thought it maybe a function of more passing attempts, that is not so at all, he has less attempts so far to surpass his 2012 performance From a stats pov, this last 4 games are "bonus" time Should be fun to watch And this is not to say there are not holes in his game, am saying this season he is finding ways to overcome them and perform
True. I was moreso comparing him as a guy with stats but no real team accomplishments. Fans will always have an excuse on why it's not his fault. You're right though...very different quarterbacking styles. Although both have similar poor/inconsistent pocket awareness.
He's already improved that stat ( turnovers) as this season had progressed. You can tell he's a student of the game and perfects his skill set weekly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Also - knock on wood - Last week the commentators said Ryan was only one of three QBs to have played every snap so far this season - that's extraordinary taking into account he is also the most sacked QB in the league - knock on wood - I know toughness and durability isn't a stat, but it's an invaluable quality - knock on wood - and he's still probably one of the most inexperienced QBs with the fewest college/pro starts. (And I'm just going to knock on wood one more time for good luck.)
I remember a time when some ppl would get mad at Henne for checking down to his RB's. I have to admit that I miss Ricky & Ronnie. Shame Ronnie was never durable enough. -Sent from my TMO Samsung Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk
Can't see that comparison at all. Gannon was a much better runner with a lot weaker arm. He was also a backup until he was about 30 years old, as I recall.
http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...yards-passing-for-the-remainder-of-the-season Anyone else hear an echo?
