Solving the Defensive End situation(Wake, Vernon, and Jordan)

Personally, I'd go with #3 if this staff is gone, and #1 if Coyle is retained. I'd still prefer a 3-4 defense above all else; I think that allows you to get the most out of Wake, Jordan, and OV.

 

They should have signed Michael Bennett.

 

This defense is playing very well right now, their coverage is at a high level, their pass rush is elite, it's getting to that point of consistency, I think the most effective use of the #3 overall pick is at linebacker, so can we just make this a personnel decision in the offseason, look for someone who would take wheeler or Misi off our books and give us a pick.?

 

A base 3-4 on 1st downs, with a nickel/dime front that has Dion and Wake outside and OV inside, but mixing in some stunts between OV and Dion would be interesting, or just slanting OV to the tackle when Dion drops back, etc. Would be interesting.

Thing is, Dion is best in a 2 pt stance, which means 3-4 (since they kept Misi, which bothered me, since eI think that was Dion's ideal run-downs position in a 4-3)…. meanwhile Wake is best with his hand in the dirt, in a 4-3.

We def have a strange mix. And we need to make a decision because if we are not clear and committed to the front's scheme, it makes it harder to weight the importance of Soliai vs Starks at the end of this year.

 

Put Dion Jordan at OLB, and put Wheeler on the bench.

We need Cam Wake, Olivier Vernon and Dion Jordan on the field at all times.

 

Our defense is currently ranked #9 in points allowed, we are tied for 4th in sacks and 2nd in INT's. OV has stepped his game and Wake is Wake. We do have a unique and tough problem to have with all 3.

I like Jordan at LB. His ability to cover the tall TE's is a major plus and he's been really good in coverage. He also has the ability to move around and to attack the QB. I don't know what the base defense looks like but I do know that we have a lot of pieces that can disrupt an offense and I want to see more of it.

 

didn't OV get one of his sacks right up the middle? couldn't he shift to the middle and line Jordan up outside? eh what do I know any way lol

 

Um,

Our problem is that we have too many good players.


Why solve it at all?

 

Until we become a high scoring offense I don't have a problem with the flipped 4-3 Under but I'd want an appropriate right side closed end, not Vernon. We're not lighting up the scoreboard and in turn forcing opponents into pass-heavy mode, so I'm not sure I see the need for 2 rush ends in base D at the expense of run support. I'd rather go stouter vs the run while opposing offenses can afford to be more conservative & cautious so that we can force them into more frequent 2nd/3rd & long situations and out of their comfort zones. Use the run D to help manufacture more turnovers since we don't have a Brady or Manning applying pressure to make opponents error prone. We'd still have an extra pass rusher on the field if needed to blitz or rush 5, but he'd be at OLB instead of RE. I wouldn't be opposed to trading Misi to give Jordan the full time OLB gig and then let Vernon rotate with Wake at LE and Jordan at OLB to keep everyone fresh. We only need 3 bodies between those 2 positions. The 4 we have now is just overkill.

 

Its just my opinion but we have too much invested in Jordan for him to be a situational player. Its not his fault, its just the way he is being utilized. I also believe we are fortunate that OV is coming along as well as he is. With Wake on the north side of 30 we can have hope that we have a ready replacement in OV or Jordan.

 

Yeah, just thinking about it makes my head hurt.

All I wanna know is, where did all these guys come from, who is the GM of this team and what the hell is his problem?

 

Wait, Wake is over just 30 and we already have his replacement(s) on the roster developing?

Holy sheeeeiit, who is responsible for this madness!!!

 

His cap hit isn't that big.

 

Don't want to turn it into an Ireland thread. But, I don't question his acquiring of talent. We have talent. It's basic accountability.

You can't go potentially 5 straight years of missing playoffs and no real improvement and still have a job.

 

I count this as year 2 of the Philbin era, not year 6 of the Ireland era and I think there has been a lot of improvement from year one to year two.

You can't ask a guy to build an apartment complex and then in the middle of construction say no no no I want shopping mall instead, then blame him for not having the job completed on the original time table.

 

I'm sorry but that rationalization doesn't fly in any other sport, business, or successful organization.

He hired a new coach. He's already fired one. There isnothing you can tell me that takes acaccountability of Ireland.

That analogy was brutal btw.

Ireland built an apartment. It didn't meet expectations and now he's building another one that's failing too. He even had the biggest budget to make it nice and it's still the same mediocre building.

 

Same guy who has built the worst offensive line in the league, has assembled one of the thinnest teams in the league that is on it's way to another astonishing 8-8 season.

 

You sure that's not on the strength & conditioning department?

 

Take the good with the bad. You're right.

At the end of the day, Ireland did some really good, even great acquisitions, for Miami. But if you can't pull off the playoffs in 5 years, you've got to go...assuming they miss.

 

Careful your not suppose to point out positives.

 

meh, you guys are over thinking it a lil bit. In today's NFL with the rookie salary scales you don't have to rush a guy into a starting position unless you are forced to because the vets are stinkin it up. Let 95 marinate for a year or two, by that time Wake (unfortunetly) will be reaching the end of his career and you just plug in the now ready Jordan.

 

The problem with that, at least in my opinion, is that Jordan is a better OLB than DE. He's just too good in space and coverage, and he can pass rush from either position. I like the 4/3 better than the 3/4, but it seems that a 3/4 defense would allow for more flexibility. That being said, Jordan at OLB would be fine with me, maybe with Misi moving to the middle. I'm not crazy about Wheeler or Ellerbee, but I'd have to take a closer look at both of those guys. We have one LB too many at this point imo, Jordan is an OLB first, DE second.

 

Ireland has always been better at building the roster on the defensive side of the ball than on the offense. Sure, he's hit on some offensive players, but far more few and far between. It would have been pretty hard to pass on Tannehill, unless he was a GM of the most astute kind, and had drafted Wilson instead.

 

Have you watched all 32 offensive lines? I doubt it.


But by all means, continue with the ignorance. It's quite entertaining.

 

If you can't see the difference between this team and the one that was being built under Parcells and Sparano then I dunno what to tell you.

 

I want to respect Disgustipate's thread and not get into Ireland anymore. Clearly we disagree here.

To Disgustipate's original topic, any way we can get all 3 players onto the field, I'm in for.

I love the 3-4. I always have. I think Wake, Vernon, & Jordan coming off the edges is scary.

 

Our base defense is essentially a 3-4 already.

Now back to holding Ireland accountable ...

 

THAT'S ABSURD! He's an immensely talented #3 overall pick defender, not some raw 2nd round QB who could use extra time learning the playbook and better understanding & identifying NFL coverage. When you put Jordan on the sideline it isn't "marinating", it's putting him on the sideline. Only way he's gonna reach his potential is to be on the field, and the more often he's on the field the faster he'll get there. What you're suggesting is to delay Jordan's development, which is ridiculous. FYI, Tannehill started as a rookie and he's further along at this point b/c of it.

 

Honest question , if he has not had enough years to produce a playoff win , when is that ? Just speaking of being accountable.

 

I don't view it that way, and based on Ireland being retained in order to build a team for Joe Philbin I don't think the team views it that way either.

IMO this is year two of a new phase and barring a total disaster three years is pretty much the bare minimum.

 

We need to accept that it's very likely Ireland gets another year to get the missing pieces. Calling for his ouster is a waste of energy IMO.

 

Taking your lead to respond on this, that's my biggest issue. I'm not saying he's nearly as bad as some on here say - although he hasn't done a good enough job IMO. I'm simply saying that at some point, he has to be held accountable.

 

Continue to blindly support the GM who has built a mediocre NFL team.

I have Sunday Ticket, I watch Thursday night football, the games on either before or after the Dolphins on Sunday, Sunday and Monday night football. I probably watch 5-7 games a week, it's a safe bet I've seen every offensive line, at least a few times.

 

If they are not the worst offensive line in the league they are in the bottom 5 and we have to find up to 4 new starters for 2014. I don't see this an endorsement of the job Jeff Ireland has done.

We are one injured receiver away from Marlon Moore being a regular receiver.

We are one injured running back away from Marcus Thigpen taking regular snaps as a running back.

We have nothing in the secondary, the amount that Jimmy Wilson plays should tell you this.

Justin Trusnick plays, regularly.

We have a thin team and when our defensive tackles walk it's going to be thinner. I don't understand the new found support for Ireland. I want more than year after year of 7-9/8-8.