Practical Ramifications Of The Mess/Pouncey's Trade Value

He might be facing suspension though. I don't think we can get anything higher than a second for him, unfortunately.

 

I'd use this negative publicity to leverage locking him up to a cheaper long term deal

 

I could see the league cutting a deal with us where if we trade Pouncey away to gut the team of everyone with involvement, they'll take the next pick after whatever we get as punishment. If we want to keep him, the punishment is worse.

We need to close this chapter, and if we got a 3rd for him and forfeited our 3rd or 4th in the process I'd be happy.

ETA: I see a deep team with an older center being the team where he'd go, hopefully a NFC one at that. He's sitting out the first half of 2014 as a lock, I think.

 

He's reaching the point where his issues are seriously problematic.

I think you certainly have to review the possibility that he'll get his **** together, because right now he's got multiple outstanding issues that have the potential to come to a head and keep him off the field.

 

Pouncey is a garbage human being and a cancer in the locker room and his value is fixing on plummeting once the league hands out their punishment.

 

This guy is turning into someone you really don't want around young players..........and here we are primed to draft 2 or 3 players over 7 rounds to that OL.

I don't know that I would flip him for a pick. But an OL player swap I'd be favorable to.

 

Let's see. If you're a GM for another NFL team what would you offer for a young pro-bowl caliber player on his rookie contract who is:
1) Facing what is probably a 4-8 game suspension for the start of the year. Making him mostly useless for 2014 since you'll need another NFL starting quality center on your roster for 2014
2) Is on the leagues black book and will be facing heavy suspensions for any further infractions while being under extreme scrutiny
3) Is a known drug risk
4) Is a known publicity problem due to his support for Hernandez and Incognito
5) Thanks to 3 & 4 it is also safe to assume he is serious risk for committing a felony whilst under contact.

I seriously doubt anyone would offer more than a 6th or 7th. Maybe a 5th of you were desperate.
In other words he probably has roughly the same trade value as Jonathon Martin.

 

I don't know if he has any trade value, to be honest.

Bad in the locker room? check

Proud recreational drug user? check

Associates with alleged murderer? check

Potentially faces charges in some of said murderer's escapades? check, though not sure how likely an indictment is

Who exactly says "I need this guy for my team; get the Dolphins on the phone?"

 

Pouncey is cancer. Release him and start doing the right thing.

We have to entice others onto this ol and having Pouncey, Turner, Jerry, and any other numpty present will affect their decisions.. I don't mind losing or not gaining a pick for a horrible human who supports Cogs and the murderer Hernandez. In fact what should happen is we be fined by the league, lose all the idiots put our hands up and say sorry.

Saying sorry to
1) FANS
2) Martin and welcome him back for having the absolute massive balls for not committing suicide and bringing this situation up therefore maybe even saving some young lineman's life
3) NFL for bringing the game into disrepute

So to recap sack the lot involved, apologise and take any punishment given and welcome back Martin (I know he's no good as a player. But near fresh start and let him fight for a roster spot)

 

I want to see if anything happens from the league about the extortion "fine" book, as far as financial and other incentives in bullying. There are a lot of things in this report that the league will have to address.

 

At this point you aren't going to get fair trade offers for Pouncey, so you might as well keep him and hope that after 7 years of being an adult he will finally mature. 7 years and counting.

 

I hope Garner and Pouncey can fix their issues. Garner is a quality back up, when someone goes down he goes in and does his job. I never felt comfortable of him as a full time starter but he is valuable for depth.

 

Didn't read the report, and I honestly don't care for it, but why is Pouncey being treated like a monster?

 

From the report he was actively involved in harassing other players and an assistant trainer.

From outside the report - he is an active recreational drug user; a public supporter of Hernandez; and an active supporter of Incognito.

 

So if someone is around drugs and has a friend in jail, he's a serious risk for committing a felony? You should let the cops know about this...it would revolutionize law enforcement worldwide!

 

You forgot supports murderers.

 

What Ross needs to do in addition to getting rid of Cogs, who is a toxic A-hole and is already gone, is fire Turner, who can't get results from the offensive line anyway; adopt a touchy-feely code of conduct that includes forbidding all the inappropriate behavior the report details; mollify the league as much as possible, and put this behind him by winning some games. Trading away the team's best offensive lineman is not an option, and Jerry should be replaced because of the low quality of his play, not his role in the scandal.

 

I think with regards pouncey, the team need to suspend him themselves and then cart him off to some facility for a chat. At least look like we are doing the right thing. There is no trade value. He is young enough to be saved. We can talk second chances and a prove it reaction. Everyone else though, wowsers, no idea. As much as we all think Martin is done he was clearly a victim here, we can talk about strong character but it's irrelevant. He should be treated like pouncey.

 

I agree Martin isn't good and weak willed. But any development for a second year player has been more than halted due to all these issues. A club much like any employer has the responsibility to help players out which Miami have failed to do.

Pouncey as mentioned is cancer he has to be fired full stop.... I think Pouncey on the field is and will be for a while our best player but this situation and his clear problems are bigger than wins or losses columns.

A drug user, supports murderers, and tried to cover all this up let's not forget this was not only aimed at Martin , so do we get rid of everyone including a poor back room staff just to keep him, no we don't. He is supposed to be a role model to all the kids in Miami and further a field. Fire him

 

Forget to mention if you have been there yourself did you employer turn there back on you when they found out?

Also if they did did they keep employed the guys or girls that caused this illegal upset?

Bet they did not and neither should Miami

 

I agree with toploader. Miami have a duty of care to Martin. I'd like to think that with some counselling and work we could make pouncey better.

 

Pouncey is a piece of ****. Wait until punishments are handed down, then explore a trade for whatever you can get for him and move forward.

More than a high pick or another player, THAT'S what we need most now—to move forward and leave this bull**** behind us. We can't do that with Mr. "I support a murdering scumbag" on a unit that's about to be rebuilt with young players.

 

I think folks are underestimating the drug thing. A) It's going on during the season B) Damn straight the NFL is going to do more then the one test the players usually receive and it will be during the season C) When Incognito is trying to get people to not go to Pouncey's..............christ what does that say about the drug use there.

 

Problem is no team would trade higher than a 3rd round pick for the guy, everyone around the league will try to use the "troubled player" excuse on him now because of all the nonsense he gets himself into. Pouncey is worth more than any third round pick in the draft.

If someone offered two second round picks then MAYBE, but right now I would only trade Pouncey for an established NFL offensive linemen starter. If we can't get that then I rather keep him and his troubles, get him in a room with our leaders and tell him he has to grow up.

And he needs to grow up on the field too. There was some stupid personal foul penalties he was involved in this season.

 

I think we will not have that luxury this season to move Pouncey, but he does need to go. Damn good player but he has a flaw, and one that most likely will resurface at some point. I say that only because he is young and it will take time.

 

A) Not necessarily. And to what extent and which drugs, nobody knows.
B) They already do random testing, iirc.
C) It says Incog didn't think a suicidal teammate should be around any more drugs than he already was.

 

Alot of posters' opinion on Pouncey are based on what they've read. Wonder how many other players do similar things. Pretty sure someone on defense does.
Let's just let go of everyone you all don't like, great idea. Problem with that is you're passing judgement on character, not football talent...all of which is Philbin's job.

 

Course he's a role model. He is a professional entertainer who has responsibility to be a role model to kids, and adults alike. He has a great position in life one that does come with responsibilities other than snapping and blocking.

Snapping and blocking is his bread and butter.

All athletes whatever the sport have this duty. Take for example play 60! That's fronted by athletes I don't suppose that's blocking and snapping?


I live in the UK and subscribe to everything NFL and watch with my 14yo son who love's the game and in particular Wake. Pouncey is not what I want him to look upto it was always someone like wake. I have explained what he went through, how he fought to get where he is today and my son is educated enough to take positives from that. What could you say to a son who love's Pouncey?