Ryan Tannehill - Quarterbacks in Focus (PFF)

I wish mobile browsers would let you fist bump, great read, hadn't read it before and great summary, thanks

 

Seems to me the 7 men in coverage performance is his key area to improve, if the blocking does improve he will see more of it this season and he has to adapt

The low hanging fruit approach would be for THill to simply take off running, which will work for awhile it just glosses over the problem.

Basically THill will have to get better at reading the entire field and anticipating when a Wr will come open in that situation

 

The problem isn't 7 man coverage. The problem is having little more than 2 seconds to decipher that 7 man coverage because the line was so bad. I don't know the numbers this year, but his first year he was a 90+ rated passer when he had over 2.6 seconds to throw (give or take on those numbers, I can't remember them exactly).

 

This is what I am speaking of, the answer is usually a Rb out of the back field as a kind of security blanket BUT, Sherman's scheme usually required the Rb to stay in and block, which to me means an opportunity for Miller/Moreno/Thomas, tho personally I thought that should have been Thigpen's role last yr

 

Still, the line is more the issue than Tannehill.

Either they aren't giving him the time to read the field with 7 in coverage or they are so bad that backs and TEs have to stay in and block instead of being safety valves.

Its another reason the Wallace connection was so bad. Since the line was so poor even without the other team having to rush so many, Ryan had to rely on timing more. There's no time to read the field like you'd want him to, but there is time to assume you're guy is going to be at x spot at x time. If Wallace doesn't run those routes correctly it all gets thrown off.

"Save the cheerleader, save the world" should be "Fix the oline, make the playoffs" for us.

 

Great read. It definitely vibes with what I see on film. The OL had trouble handling 4 man rushes wo help from a back or TE so there were way too many instances of RT having 3-4 targets facing 7 in coverage AND the added handicap of not having much time to throw. That equals more pressure on the QB to read the D and get the ball out, the receivers have less time to get open, the OC is restricted in the route combos he can use and defenses know all of this and can plan accordingly.

If the new OL can handle 4 man pressures w/o help then the entire passing game becomes much more difficult to stop. Thats the main reason why fixing the OL supersedes anything else. And why IMO Tannehill enjoy his best season by far, this season.

 

I'm just gonna PM you what I want to say, that way you can explain it clearly and succinctly and intelligently, from now on.

 

Mike Wallace has to be accounted for on virtually every snap, very few teams can afford to play him with 1 guy, leaving 5 guys to cover the other 4 eligibles. Clay is a matchup problem, Hartline/Gibson are reliable targets, Miller is a dangerous guy on screens and check downs when he's not stuck babysitting the QB, and even if defenses manage to cover all those guys Tannehill has the athleticism to escape and pick up yards with his legs.

From the defense's perspective it's problem after problem after problem. But it's all contingent on the OL being able to hold their own.

 

Ha! And I'll forward mine to Todd or Raf, get their version and then claim it as my own...

 

OL does handle itself the situation is perfect for a pass catching rb to leak out of the backfield and win a one on one matchup, we rarely did that last season.

To me we should have a rb that ends up with 40-50 receptions just from that situation, if the rb can go down the seam on that play he should be wide open

The 4 on 5 blocking situation last season was incredibly frustrating b/c is seemed like the OL simply did not know their assignments and d-linemen would literally run by the offensive lineman who would look around like "was that my guy?"

 

Don't forget to send it to Mr Clean so he can correct the typos and misspellings.

 

Thought I would get a break from abysmal OL play at least during the offseason. And then I caught a Hamilton Tiger Cats game. Just call that OL Miami North ;p

 

This is why I disagree with the comment in the Football Gameplan season preview that the number one priority for the Phins is for Tannehill to progress. If the OL is fixed to the point were they function merely as an average NFL unit, then I think Ryan's play will get better regardless of any actual progress he makes.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see our line playing better before the bye week. While Albert is an upgrade at LT, the other four positions are either young or average at best.
If Pouncey can comeback after the bye week, then I think we see Tannehill's play improve.

 

Don't agree.

Pressure from the outside with just a four man rush should improve a lot.

 

Pouncey's absence will hurt, but it won't make a huge difference in pass pro IMO. He was out vs the Chargers and Panthers last year and the other guys stepped up and did a decent job. Now if Albert is out for an extended period then it'll be time to worry.

 

Couldnt agree more. Even a slight improvement from RT will show up in a major way provided the OL is playing at an average or better level.

 

Lack of receiving options. When you strip all of his receiving options, that kinda happens. When Gronk came back briefly, the Patriots offense was once again one of the best in the NFL. With Amendola healthy, Gronk available, and Edelman, they were averaging 35 ppg while Denver was at 30, and New Orleans at 23 over the same time span when Gronk and Amendola and Edelman played together.

 

smart mother grabber...

To Clark Kent for a great post..

I'm one who puts more stock then most when it comes to PFF, I respect their processes and conclusions over any other stat site, because I know what they ask of the people that do the breakdowns.

This stuff gives me some hope that I dint take into account that Ryan was dealing with an extra man in the secondary than the norm, I still feel confident I know his weaknesses but this certainly makes me think..

 

WE will know quickly, Training Camp, our front 4 is deep and talented if we hear reports that the #1's are being blown out by Kraken and OV and Starks et al, then we are in deep deep problems

How many yrs have we heard "oh it takes the ol time to gel" when the regular season starts..they are hot garbage/

 

I would be more afraid if the reports were Kracken, OV, Starks in company weren't blowing out the #1's.

 

If he gets more clean pockets than last than of course, he still needs to improve his play speed, touch, sense of the rush, and know when to takeoff to make a freakin play when we need one..

 

Let's hope you are right because then all this media hype about our line struggling this year because they haven't played together is just that hype.

 

IMO the coaching and scheme is a much bigger factor in how quickly players play well. A good coach recognizes what a player does well naturally and instinctively and tries to maximize his opportunities to do that. And obviously minimizes the converse.

 

I think that's easier to do with the skill positions than the OL where you need to fit one scheme to the skill sets of 5 different players.

 

Media hype, that's exactly what it is and unfortunately it's taken at face value by a lot of people.

If we beat the Jets last year we make the playoffs, Philbin is hailed as the cool and collected coach leading the team thru adversity. Miami is the up and coming team w a new OL and OC, ready to challenge in the AFC. Instead we lose and Philbin is the lame duck coach w one foot already out the door.

 

We lost badly, at home, against a rookie Qb, and if you remember, the jets kicked our *** in the physicality dept...I guess we were just sooooo mentally fatigued...awwww, isn't that cute..

 

John Jerry bouncing off of Richardson...pardon my French **** that guy

 

The Jets game, I had the same take...they were HYPED to play that game...so were the Bucs when we played them (and they were winless!!)...same result. For those who say NFL players don't need coaches to fire them up, take a look at those games and the HCs involved, and try again.

 

The venue is also to blame, it's hard for these players to be self motivated all the time, other teams have such anadvantage.we don't have a venue that can uplift them...ever...not playing with a full deck.

 

If Miami did beat the Jets, I doubt they'd have ended up firing Sherman and Turner. Sherman especially.

 

I'd argue that the above was not true in the New England home game, especially on the final stopping drive. The place looked ready to explode going into the Jets game in the finale...and they laid a [2nd straight] massive egg, primarily because they couldn't stop the Jets pass rush nor could they do a thing about stopping the run. I do agree with the physicality part. I do believe that a lot of that has to do with preparation and well...I know you know where that thread goes.

For comparison's sake, being from Cincinnati (it's a baseball city and always will be before anything else), Reds fans pack GABP for big games. Far too often, much like the Dolphins, the Reds don't give you anything to cheer about. Just in tonight's game, they were down 5-1 and not playing well and a sellout crowd was quiet. During the comeback in the 8th inning you'd have thought it was Game 7 of the World Series. Short story short, it goes both ways IMO re: venue and/or crowd noise/intensity vs. team performance.

 

You over sell this all the time. What about all the games we have won there? If crowd noise is so important why did the Seahawks and chiefs ever have terrible seasons? The ravens home game this year sounded great then the team was given terrible play calls and the line wet the bed. The crowd didn't deflate the team, it was the other way around.Edit - sorry, to the OP, great post.

 

yup if you lose one home game its all just a silly theory, not sure whats left to prove, its all plain to see.

Ryan is gonna be runnin for his life early,lets hope the coordinator gets him outside the pocket more than once a game..i mean if he cant do it himself,then somebody needs to do it for him

 

I'm not saying it doesn't count, I'm saying you over state it. If it's so important the chiefs and the Seahawks would never lose. These are the two teams with the loudest most partisan crowd. Yet their history doesn't show continued success. The stadium could be nicer, it could be better designed to focus the noise in, it could shade the fans better. However, the only way you get success on the field is by combining good drafting, smart coaching, clever free agency, building a team the all buys in to each other and the ethos. It's got nothing to do where they play. Extrapolate your theory to other sports. Anyone who watches soccer knows that the best most powerful crowd atmospheres are teams like galatasary and besiktas in Turkey, Dortmund in Germany, lech poznan, feyenerood, Ajax. These teams have intimidating stadia, fans who make continual noise. These teams are successful only when they build the team properly. They've all been up and down.

 

Have you gone back and watched the game again?