"On the very first snap Okoye sent Martin sprawling seven yards backward and planted him on his back, which of course drew plenty of shouts and murmurs from the assembled defensive linemen." They better watch out in San Fran! That kind of behavior from the Defensive Line will get Martin complaining about bullying on the practice field.
I didn't say they would make Matt Moore the starter in September. I also believe there's about a zero percent chance of that happening. However, Foles didn't start 2013 either...but he did finish it.
Following your logic then, a hesitating QB would nullify the effectiveness of this offense. Is that right? If so, that puts a very high premium on decisiveness at the QB spot this season. (It's always important, but even more so in this system, from the sound of it)
Decisiveness, aggression and management of pressure in the pocket (executing while moving your body) are things that I would place a premium on with Philadelphia's system. But are we really seeing Philadelphia's system? That's the question.
Exactly right. Kind of common sense, except when there's incentive to not want to believe it. That said, it's too early in TC to make any pronouncements. If the O struggles all through TC and pre-season though, I'll be concerned.
Define aggression in terms of what you'd want to see done on the field? (And are we specifically talking about the QB being aggressive?)
Two things to keep in mind about this: 1. Earlier this off season there was a quote from someone anonymous who reported to be close to Joe Philbin. This was all before OTAs and Training Camp, etc. The source said that Philbin has been frustrated with Tannehill and would think about putting Matt Moore in the game this year if Tannehill isn't progressing. 2. Joe Philbin is in a desperate situation. It's a make-or-break year for him. He needs to win games and if he really does become convinced one of those two quarterbacks will win him games where the other won't...
No, I don't think that happens. I would say the only way Moore gets in is if Tannehill gets hurt. And then if Moore tears it up compared to what Tannehill did before getting hurt then we'd have a controversy. But I don't expect that Moore, even with the experience edge will outplay Tannehill by enough to ever create such a controversy. I could see Moore playing well and I could see Moore outplaying Tannehill in small sections. And there will always be the contingent that wants the back-up to get his shot. But I don't expect that Moore will ever be seen as an upgrade to Tannehill by the majority.
I don't think there is any question (in my mind anyways) that Matt Moore is more aggressive, and certainly less risk-averse than Ryan Tannehill. Are Devlin or Jensen decent fits for this system? Sounded like Jensen has the right aggressive mindset.
I was one who was comparing his previous year to last year looking for anything to grab on to, he played better in the latter preseason imo, but simply sucked regardless..he had no business being drafted in the 2nd round..not the 3rd or 4th..hell he was off my board completely.
Moore tends to get you excited for a bit, then force the ball somewhere bad and deflate you with an "Oh that's right, you're Matt Moore, Backup Quarterback, for a reason" interception.
This is essentially what I see as well but with the x-factor thrown in of Joe Philbin and his knowledge that he either wins right now or he's fired. He seems like he knows it.
Not sure either of them are especially suited in those specific manners. Jensen is experienced with this type of ball, but I'm not sure I'd call him especially aggressive or decisive. In fact the criticisms I had of him most often revolved around holding onto the ball about a beat too late.
We should know early whether he really wants to be here, players can snuff sh@& out..kind of like Lebron james and the heat
I'd caution against that line of thinking. The Dolphins started off 2013 with three straight victories...and then they finished rather pathetically. If that's the pattern we could easily see the same.
I thought the same as you in regards to how Wake practices. Though, if the great Omar Kelly says otherwise, who am I to doubt it?
I tend to doubt a lot of what Omar says. I just don't trust his ability to look at the field and know what is going on.
My point was if he has any thoughts of already moving on, players will detect it, I don't think at the beginning of last year that would of been the case..
I don't know if anyone really thinks Philbin is already checked out. On the contrary I think he's desperate.
Ya...isn't this guy in, like, mid-season form year-round? He's SUPPOSED to beat the hell out of ANY RT he faces in camp.
Some interesting thoughts on here which goes with what I feel like I've been reading from camp reports is Tannehill this year is making throws, more challenging and more dangerous throws so far in camp. Omar and I think Dave Hyde were talking about it. Maybe I was reading between the lines but it seems like Ryan is throwing balls that he didn't in years past. Things like deep passes which we never really seen the last two camps. Seam throws, haven't seen tons of them, and throwing to a spot which is new. I've said it many times on the deep passes that Ryan needs to stop trying to hit the man but throw to where he is going into space. Every time he tries to hit Wallace exactly in stride he misses. Throw to where you think he will be and let Wallace adjust to the ball in the air which he is fantastic at.
Thing is, in a post-practice interview, James said that he sought out Cameron Wake and told him to go at him at top gear. Assuming that Wake obliged....
Tannehill for the last four years played in an offense that was HEAVY on comebacks, hitches, curls, etc. He threw a ton of balls to guys who were coming back or squared up to the QB. It's part of why his ypa is so low despite other stats being good, and why the WR yac numbers were also poor. Lazor looks like he's changing things. Not going to see as many turn-and-catch routes to a stationary target or someone who's breaking straight towards the sidelines with no room to run. This offense is going to require him to be aggressive and hit guys moving downfield and into space more often. It should yield good results (increased yac and ypa) but Tannehill had been in Sherman's offense for a long time (it's the only system he's played in) so it'll be a great test.
Ya this is where I'm coming from when I say, "the wheels could fall off." EVERYBODY has to learn a new playbook. The TEs/RBs will have vastly different responsibilities. The O-line has to block differently than last year (and they're all new, as well as the system). Tannehill needs vision he never used before. His decisiveness maybe a bit behind what's needed for this to thrive, but has plenty time to work on that. He certainly has the arm talent and mobility to make it work. Thank heavens Jim Turner/Sherman are gone. The new OL coach has the necessary experience to have them aligning into the new system. Lazor has the experience in bringing up a QB in this system. Those are my positives.
Dolphin fans love scapegoats and saviors, Philbin is in year three so savior is out the window and Irish is gone so the scapegoat position is wide open. You'd think Philbin would deserve some patience given he was saddled with such a poor, horrible, terrible GM his first two years, but if there's no instant turnaround the pitchforks will come out as fast as you can say Gus Malzahn, the new savior.
Even though I think cam wake understands how to pace himself in practice I'm sure that the call came from above to have him give the rookie the full repertoire and 100 percent, for the teams sake it's the right decision.. As long as we don't see the rookie get overwhelmed then I know he will be a better tackle because of it..after all, once you face wake a couple hundred times, everyone else will not measure up because of this simple fact, he and Quinn are the best pass rushers in the game.
