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Do you approve of the job Head Coach Joe Philbin is doing? (Weekly Poll)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Dec 7, 2014.

Do you approve of the job Head Coach Joe Philbin is doing?

Poll closed Dec 13, 2014.
  1. Yes

    8 vote(s)
    8.8%
  2. No

    83 vote(s)
    91.2%
  1. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    The Oline is bad in pass pro, not running. We are very good at running the ball, but we need to be balanced. We were not balanced starting in the second quarter, giving the Ravens defense easy attack opportunities.
     
  2. dWreck

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  3. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There is one inescapable fact that hasn't been addressed for a while.

    Both our head coach and offensive coordinator hires were guys for whom we settled. Our first, second, third and in one case our fourth choices weren't interested.

    Neither had previous experience at his position. They are both learning on the job.

    Is it time to conclude that neither is capable of learning, or that it will take too long? If no one is available who has gotten it done before, that's the question to ponder.
     
  4. jldolfan

    jldolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree we have lacked talent, but it's my contention that with a different coach we could very well be 9-3 right now. His coaching decisions alone have cost us two games. Just my opinion.
     
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  5. brandon27

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    I've put off voting the last few weeks because we saw this team improving. However, the mandate was to make the playoffs this year. We did the same thing we did last year. The fact were playing and competing with as many injuries as we have, still makes me think it might be worth another year of Phiblin, but I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I think Philbin was a good choice to get us out of the place we were in. However, I don't see him as a guy who's going to get us over the hill and to where we need to go. Since we are basically a bigtime longshot for the playoffs now... I sway more and more to NO. Enough to actually make me vote today. If we win out, and make it somehow, then I'd consider keeping him again, but at this point I think I've had enough.
     
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  6. speed

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    You talk about how bad Lazor is and how great Philbin is. but he HIRED Lazor.

    So what does that logically say about Philbin?

    I will wait....
     
  7. Piston Honda

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    What hasn't been addressed is that the game is played on the the field, by the players.
     
  8. speed

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    The coach continues to start terrible players...Dallas Thomas for one.

    Anybody would be an upgrade.
     
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  9. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Lazor was not a poor choice., and from who was available Lazor might be the best choice. But Lazor being a rookie lacks game time playcalling experience, to stick with what works, rather than panicking and going with pass, managing clock with run game, exploiting mismatches, pushing Ryan into quick decision on 3rd and short pass--RT had two outlets in the flat, especially without extra protection when more protection is needed. Things like that are at issue with Lazor due to inexperience, that a more experience OC picks up and gets going. Kubiak today for example.
     
  10. mlb1399

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    I have my doubts about Philbin but I think the reason we're not 9-3 is our defense folds when it matters and our OL is garbage. Whoever our next head coach is, will need some help with talent acquisition.

    At this point, you cannot rely on Albert to pay a full season. Dallas Thomas clearly isn't cut out to be a NFL OL. Both of our G's need to be replaced.

    Defensively, I don't even know where to start. Almost every area needs an upgrade. Both of our CB's from 2 years ago are non-existent. DJ is decent in coverage and special teams but I haven't seen anything out of him that tells me he is going to be a difference maker. Delmas didn't seem capable of making plays. Outside of Jenkins, our entire LB corps needs to be upgraded. Wake and Grimes are the only guys I see consistently making plays.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

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    So thats two yes so far, guessing Fin D logged in
     
  12. speed

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    OK, maybe I misread your post. Sure looked like you were ragging on Philbin's hire.
     
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  13. jldolfan

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    Queasy was the reason we lost the Green Bay game, you can ultimately point to the defense, but I was there. We had them, 4-10 at the 40. The 3 plays before that we were getting after Rogers in fact we had caused him to fumble on 3rd. We had them scrambling, hurrying to get to the line, to call a play, 14 seconds on the play clock. Bam! Time out, Queasy. I wanted to leave then and there, I knew we were done. Next play, Grimes slips and falls 18 yard gain to Nelson. Coaching scared is why I think he cost us 2 games this year. We have talent, we don't play with a swagger. A good coach that makes sound football decisions wins with this team. Super bowl? Probably not, but playoffs, yes.
     
  14. Vertical Limit

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    Sparano just won
     
  15. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    No. The most important thing is we have the system to be competitive, and we are competitive when healthy, for years to come. We just need to stick with it and keep improving.

    When you have that, you are in it every year, and we are there. Sometimes injuries can derail you, sometimes things do not go your way, but when you have a good system, you have a solid base to be competitive every year. We have that with Philbin and that is the most important thing.
     
  16. Da 'Fins

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    BPK - Love you doing these polls.

    But, this one was missing the all-important 3rd option besides the O yes / O no options:

    O Hell No!!!!
     
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  17. DolphinGreg

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    I'd stick by him.

    NFL success is about acquiring the talent to run your scheme.

    This year, the team finally did that. We had a solid draft and solid free agency.

    It amounted to us almost making the Play-offs despite the youth and inexperience on the roster.

    With a few more seasons under its belt, this team--and its coach--could be on the top looking down.

    I believe in intelligence and decision making more than emotion. Philbin is calm and rational.

    A few mistakes on throwing the red flag or calling a time-out here and there is small potatoes in the grand scheme of building a football team.

    I'd commit to Philbin because I believe in him and want the Dolphins to take the next step which--regardless of the HC--with require the team to show a little patience and commitment, something it hasn't in over 15 years.
     
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  18. Bpk

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    Unfortunately emotion is a big part of leading groups of people effectively. That's why Philbin continually fails to get us over the hump. He doesn;t lack for logic, does he... so what does he lack?

    You can't ONLY have one or the other to win at THIS level. You must be good at both.
     
  19. speed

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    Whoa!!

    He's up to 5 yes votes!
     
  20. Vertical Limit

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    You know what's going to burn? When the Patriots lose tonight and we didn't capitalize by taking care of business against a mediocre Ravens team that was injured and missing their best defensive linemen due to a suspension.
     
  21. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I trust the coaches who are at practice every day watching the other guys over your blind faith in their abilities.
     
  22. Vertical Limit

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    Keep trusting the coaches then! Not like Dallas Thomas wasn't getting absolutely destroyed today even Suggs laughed at Thomas in the locker room after the game!

    But keep trusting the coaches, after all, you will always be half right with Philbin's sub 500 coaching career record.
     
  23. DolphinGreg

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    Good point! I don't disagree.

    The best have a way of motivating players that Philbin probably doesn't.

    But, I think the floor is higher with the unemotional guys which is why if I had to pick one or the other, I'd lean towards the Philbin-type as opposed to the Rex-type.

    If somehow Joe Philbin and Rex Ryan could be combined into one person, that would perfect!

    Maybe we try to get Rex Ryan as a DC so we could ensure Lazor remains?

    I feel that if Philbin goes, it's very likely that everyone will go. I don't think it's worth it to take that risk.
     
  24. Unlucky 13

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    I was opposed to giving Philbin an interview for the job in the first place.
     
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  25. jw3102

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    Yes, it's great to know if Philbin remains the HC, we can look forward to having a competitive team that finishes with a mediocre record year after year and never makes the playoffs. No thank you.

    The sooner Philbin is gone, the better off this team will be.
     
  26. jdang307

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    Against my better judgment (I know your schtick, which I am cool with, but I know it) Did Lazor handcuff and stuff an apple in Philbin's mouth, and stash him in a locker during the game? The OC runs the Coach's plan. Philbin has overruled Lazor several times this year, they have both admitted as much. Lazor doesn't do anything Philbin doesn't want him to.
     
  27. Phins_Fan_87

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    That reason doesn't work anymore. Not after the way we are losing and the culprits who remain on the field.
     
  28. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    It's not a schtick. He over ruled him in the Pats or the Bills game at the end of the half to run it three straight times, and has not done so all year after.

    I want Philbin to do what Pats and Jets did. Run the ball all game, take it out of RTs and Lazor's hands completely in Foxboro. The season is lost anyway.
     
  29. DolphinGreg

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    That reason is always going to work, haha.

    The worst mistake an employee can make is to assume that they know as much as their superior.

    Thomas struggled because he's a backup Guard trying to play Tackle. We can't assume there's always a fix.

    Sometimes standing up to the bully means getting your butt kicked, lol.

    Wish it weren't true, but I'll settle for a new Guard in April. We're all winners if that happens. :)
     
  30. DolphinGreg

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    Wouldn't be bad to see it.

    Until we run the ball assertively in all 4 quarters, I'm not going to believe we officially have a true running game.
     
  31. Phins_Fan_87

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  32. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    It would require max blocking, and we run spread, 100% of the time. I don't think we have those in the playbook.
     
  33. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We seem to have a knack for setting up 1st and 15 nowadays as well.
     
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  34. Bpk

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    No.. Its to assume ANYTHING instead of observing and coming to a conclusion about their superiors competence.

    Don't assume your superior is smarter or dumber. Just watch and they'll show you.


    My two cents via iPhone.
     
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  35. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I understand.

    But none of us know Philbin based on 3.5 hours and a few press conferences each week, despite what our instincts may say.

    Anytime a fan is right or wrong, there's a heck of a lot of luck involved.
     
  36. jldolfan

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    Naw man, come on! Queasy is a 500 coach, he will never be anything more than that. Competitive? Middle of the road is not competitive its road kill.
     
  37. Bpk

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    Disagree. Many people are good at reading the dynamics of interpersonal situations just as others can visualize computer architecture. Hell, During Hard Knocks Deej called out EXACTLY the character defects that concerned him about Philbin as a HC... And they are the same ones that have borne out and are in question three years later.

    Fans are people and some people are great at reading people.

    (psychological profiling calls them intuitive feelers or empaths. Their challenge is they can see what others cannot so people dont beleive them, which is called the Cassandra effect. Thats named after the seer who knew Troy would fall but no one would listen to her
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    My two cents via iPhone.
     
  38. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    He is over 500 this year, but 500 with this roster, QB, oline, OC, is above par. Joe is the custodian of stability and the winning system. He'll get it done. Need to improve the roster first. Maybe even the QB. We'll see what they come up with after the season.
     
  39. Bpk

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    And btw, I'll take the instincts that let us survive hundreds of thousands of savagely dangerous years over classroom logic when assessing what works in the mayhem of a football game.


    My two cents via iPhone.
     
  40. cdz12250

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    Does it bother any of you who are OK with Philbin to see our quarterback completing dink passes five yards short of the first down marker on third and long, vainly hoping that the receiver will get yards after the catch? Watching teams rip off long runs against our front 7, knocking out defenders into next week as the running back squirts through the resulting hole? These people running our team have no answers to what has been happening. Are you going to blame it all on the players? On injuries?

    Coaches are supposed to evaluate the team's strengths and weaknesses and scheme to take advantage of the strengths, minimize the weaknesses, and counter what the other teams are doing. They are supposed to instill fundamentals that translate to consistent execution. Do you see sound fundamentals on this team?
     

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