Are people seriously blaming Tanehill?

I think it is a very small minority (if even that) which blames Tannehill. Even DJ who is sold on the idea that Tannehill isn't the answer likely doesn't blame Tannehill.

 

Yeah, like giving up 35+ points a game for the last 4 of 5 games is Tanny's fault...

 

Tannehill great?Great is rodgers .manning,Brady,Bree's.
tannehill not even in the conversation but I would say average qb which would be top 15.
I think he can get better and become a top 10 qb but I don't see him in the in ever a top 5 guy.
I would not blame yesterday's game on him though because the Ol and mike Wallace quit on him yesterday.

 

I don't think most people are blaming Tannehill for this season. If anything, Tannehill, Miller, Landry, and James were the few bright lights in a sea of darkness for most of this season.

It it is just a shame Tannehill is going to have to suffer through more mediocre seasons from this team while the OL, WR corp, and entire defense are rebuilt over the next few seasons.

 

He's not totally to blame, obviously. But he's not proven to be a solution either. People like myself who some probably label as 'Tannehaters' in reality just have doubts about him as being the definite QB of the future. I don't think he's been good enough for us to put all our eggs in his basket next season.

It's a QB-driven league. Tannehill is decent, but decent isn't good enough. He took over a ~.500 team and keeps going ~.500. He still isn't good enough in several important areas of the position. It's a concern.

 

One guy who posts way too much got sad and angry and drunk and posted an anti-Tannehill post.

I'd say 99% of Dolphin fans are pleased with Tannehill. Most (myself included) probably see him as the only reason to have any hope about the future of this team.

 

This ^^^

 

Right...but the things you're critiquing him for are things that are driven by other parts of the team. I'll say it again, if we were 11-5, and in the playoffs, everyone would be all over Tannehill's jock, especially with the stats he put up this year. Unfortunately, the defense couldn't close out games (regardless of the offense's production in the fourth quarter), and so we have more losses than we maybe should. There is literally no way that this team in the playoffs with Tannehill's stats unchanged from where they are today, that anyone is seriously complaining about him.

The whole thing is pretty absurd.

 

He is no Dan Marino who was a star from the moment he walked on the field but he is improving every year.However he does seem to lack instincts at times like feeling the pressure and shuffling out of it .He is rather mechanical in his delivery .But no QB is perfect.
He is the best QB we have had since Marino and its worth sticking with him IMO.

 

We've had this exchange several times. If you continue to dismiss these points as "absurd" then we are done. The below points are rooted in numbers and reality.

The fact of the matter is that there are several important areas of the game that he hasn't improved, or maybe improved in tiny (perhaps insignificant) increments. Several of these issues go back to his college career. These things are...YPA, escapability, instincts in the pocket, creating big plays, week-to-week consistency, leadership and effect on the culture of the organization, winning in general, dominating in our most important games, sustained greatness.

These are all things that fall mostly on the QB, the most important person on the field. Though he has the occasional flash of greatness for a week here and there, he has not brought these things in any consistent stretches of big games.

 

We've said get us a top QB since Dan Marino.

We finally had a top third QB in the league this year.

And now some want to run him out of town...

 

Lol. Just so I'm clear..."I don't think he's done enough for us to put all our eggs in his basket next season" = "Run him out of town"

 

So if the opportunity arises do we draft a guy who could be better if he comes along

Love tanne

 

look around this place. Seriously, and tell me there aren't people trying to run him out.

 

I love Tannehill. The guy plays with heart and I believe he is 100% Miami Dolphin. I haven't had the opportunity to watch him play live and I have read posts from others who have that say Ryan is very mechanical. Some have called him terrible - doesn't move in the pocket, etc. Very stiff, rigid and looks lost at times. What do you think the reasons are? Some guys fit a position naturally for various reasons. You must be a damn good athlete to play QB at this level. So what is it??

 

Tannehill has consistently improved and is arguably the strongest reason for any hope going forward. He played at a top 10 level after a very short offense adjustment period and when he had decent protection (he never had "good" pass pro) he played at a top 5 level. Is he Peyton, Brees, Brady or Rodgers? No, of course not, but those guys weren't the players they are now in their third season either. And Tannehill came in with less experience than most of those guys so it was known going in that he would probably take a couple of seasons longer to reach comparable experience levels. Peyton was at about RT's level in year three despite having far better weapons. And Rodgers was still on the bench and reportedly looked so mechanical in practice that they drafted another QB to cover their bases. In his third season Brees had a QB rating below 70 and was throwing more INTs than TDs. Brady was still carrying that "caretaker" label in year three. His QB rating was in the mid 80s and his YPA was about 6.3. (Brady, who had similar experience levels coming in, really didn't blossom until year 5). Despite playing behind some of the worst lines in the league and arguably the worst 3 years of OL play in team history, Tannehill's stats compare very favorably to the progression of the best QBs in the league and some of the best QBs in NFL history. So anybody complaining about Tannehill at this point really is being absurd.

 

Thing is, on a team where you have so may positions that can be improved upon, why do some feel that we should make a change at the QB position when the player in that position has gotten better with each season? On the season, he ends up the 14th ranked QB based on passer rating (92.8%), 5th based on completion percentage (66.4%), 11th in passing yardage (4,045 yards), 12th in passing TD's (27 against 12 picks). Those are solid numbers people.

Now, are there aspects to his game that can be improved upon? Absolutely, but I think some people may be forgetting just how raw he was when we drafted him. He is still learning on the job. It would certainly help to surround him with more protection and talent.

 

Like I've said, Tannehill is likely not even top 5 limiting factor of this team's success. To nitpick at his deficiencies, even while he continues to significantly improve year to year, while this team has clearly plenty of other areas in need of major overhaul, well it's just a bit unreasonable to say the least.

Until other areas of this team improve to the point where we can safely say Tannehill is the bottleneck for the team reaching the next step, any notion of Tannehill being the problem or him holding the team back is ridiculous.

 

I agree with all of your reasons and I will take it one step further

we seem to keep getting coaching rejects mainly assistant coaches and scouting personel and the defensive coordinators . the last good D.C. was Dom Capers but I could be wrong.

we need to get us some good coordinators and a good head coach and keep him. why I would rather have Norv Turner then any coach we have had since Saban. but that is just me .

 

people are upset he isn't A-rod or P. manning or Luck. They don't realize top 15 QB can still get us to the superbowl and even win it. It's just a team effort. cough defense cough. If a guy like trent dilfer can win a superbowl... There is no reason RT can't either. It's a matter of the defense actually showing up...

 

Tannehill is tough as nails and gets better every year. He takes a lickin, and keeps on tickin. I think it was Muhammed Wilkerson yesterday, came in and popped Tanny with a helmet to helmet shot. Tannehill got back up and continued playing, Wilkerson(about twice his size) left the game with a concussion.


Edit: It was Sheldon Richardson

 

I agree. Tannehill's toughness maybe his most impressive trait. I see his toughness and accuracy as two areas where he is clearly an elite QB (top 5, arguably top 3). I think his decision-making, arm-strength and athleticism are top 10. And his decision-making will continue to improve with experience. And just as important, he seems to have the right personality. If you look at even the elite QBs that were listed above you rarely saw such linear improvement. That speaks to the work and self-evaluation/self-criticism/coach-ability that he has. He is already a QB we could win a SB with and he's nowhere near his ceiling.

 

He took some brutal hits yesterday and kept getting up. It was impressive.

 

Thing is, we are a .500 team this year because the D is horrendous...It's not because of Tanny and the O...as someone else said somewhere on here, if you combine the D from last year to the O from this year, you have a decent team, one that you can build on. While I think the O still needs some pieces (interior OL, swing T, #2 TE, maybe a WR depending on offseason cuts), it's moving in a positive direction with Tanny. Is Tanny going to be elite...the jury is still out...is he good enough, with pieces around him...yeah. He's close to Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco levels...

 

You're arguing an individual in a team sport...doesn't wash.

 

tannehill is far from the problem of this team. tannehill is pretty much the only reason why i have any kind of hope going forward. the guy has been playing at a top 10 level with an oline that can't stop 3 man rushes or a 80 year old grandmother. tannehill is a pocket passer he isn't russell wilson or colin kapernick(thank god) he is going to be more like brady and manning. those guys have been protected their whole careers, peyton manning and brady will just fall down anytime pressure comes from the middle, the same type of pressure people expect tannehill to just run through. it doesnt matter how good of a qb you are if you have 0 time to throw look at brady at the beginning of the year or andrew luck in december.

i think tannehill at this point is a top 10 qb in this league and he still hasnt reached his ceiling yet. the guy just improves in every aspect of his game and has yet to plateau and yet people want him gone, i dont know if it is just some kind of built in bias of how some expect the qb position to be played or if some are just crazy jaded to the point that if he isnt marino II he is somehow a subpar qb. the dolphins can win with tannehill, just give him an oline that is respectable and he will put up the numbers and the offense will hit on all cylinders.

 

Here's something I posted in another thread that may help people achieve a different sort of understanding of this:

Unfortunately I think the original poster is lamenting the current state of the NFL as much as he is anything regarding Ryan Tannehill. The league has become so oriented around passing that the teams with the very few elite quarterbacks have a great deal more probability of contending for the Super Bowl than the teams without one. The teams without one are forced to try to surround a lesser quarterback with an uncommon level of talent to be competitive at that level, and it looks like the original poster is resigning himself to the belief that the Dolphins will be such a team with Ryan Tannehill at the helm.

The good news, in my opinion, is that Ryan Tannehill has shown enough as a quarterback to elevate the Dolphins well above the teams that have absolutely no chance of contending for a Super Bowl, because their quarterbacks are so bad. The Dolphins need only put an uncommon level of talent around Tannehill to be competitive for the Super Bowl, whereas those other teams -- those without adequate quarterbacks -- won't be competitive at that level no matter how much talent with which they surround their quarterback.

I think you can look at it like this, like a tiered system (with teams listed within each tier in no particular order):

TIER 1 (teams that are competitive for the SB on quarterback play alone)
Green Bay
Denver
New England
Seattle

TIER 2 (teams that can be competitive for the SB on the combination of quarterback play and other talent)
Dallas
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
New Orleans
Indianapolis
Cincinnati
Detroit
San Diego
Kansas City
Philadelphia (with Nick Foles)
Carolina
Atlanta
Miami
NY Giants
San Francisco

TIER 3 (teams that have little or no chance at SB contention because their quarterbacks are inadequate)
Buffalo
NY Jets
St. Louis
Oakland
Minnesota
Washington
Houston
Tennessee
Chicago
Tampa Bay
Cleveland
Jacksonville

So, if you're in TIER 3, you're looking for a quarterback as priority number-one (or you're developing an unproven one). If you're in TIER 2, you aren't looking for a quarterback and aren't developing one beyond a level of inadequacy, but you're looking to surround the one you have with an uncommonly strong level of talent. If you're in TIER 1, you're likely to be competitive deep into the playoffs, and possibly for a Super Bowl, on your quarterback play alone, regardless of whether you have uncommonly good talent around him.

What I hear the original poster saying -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- is that he was hoping Ryan Tannehill would put the Dolphins into TIER 1, but after yesterday's game he's resigned himself to his being in TIER 2 throughout his career.

And I don't know if that's an accurate assessment of Tannehill or not, but it may help people understand what the original poster is saying if it's indeed an accurate understanding of him on my part.

 

What did his QB rating end up at for the year?

 

92.8

up 11 points from last year.

 

that's awesome!

Thanks!

 

i wouldn't put seattle in tier 1 as they depend on the defense and marshawn lynch more than they rely on RW... put RW in miami, no playoffs.

 

1. Tannehill has showed pretty good consistency this season. That being said, how consistent do you expect him to be behind this abortion of an oline?

2. Speaking of olines, WHAT POCKET do you expect that Tannehill will have instincts in? Have you seen him try to climb in the pocket when the rush comes from the outsides? I have...only to see him get stuffed by the center who was driven back 5 yards. Where do you expect Tannehill to go when the entire line is being beat and driven back??

3. BIG PLAYS??? How is he given the time to make big plays downfield, when pressure is getting to him, fast, by 3 or 4 man rushes? That's leaving 7 or 8 guys in coverage. Top it off, the times he had been able to get the ball out deep against these rushes, and got it to an open receiver, he's had a bunch dropped.

Again, you bring up the same, tired arguments, as if they haven't been answered over and over and over again. They have been answered. I get it, you don't like him, but your running out of ammunition. So much of our problems stem from the ****ty oline, but even with that, Tannehill put up numbers placing him in the top 10 or so. With a halfway competent defense, we win at least three more games, and are in the playoffs, and everyone is gushing about how Tannehill is real deal and lead us to the playoffs...and he would have the same damn statistics he has right now.

 

I think Tannehill is getting closer to becoming that guy that's always going to give us chance...An any given Sunday kind of quarterback. We obviously need to build a formidable offensive line, and we need our defense to improve. Those two dilemmas are completely out of Tannehills hands. Show me one game from this past season where our offensive line played stellar and Tannehill did not. I pretty much watched every game this year, so if there was a game where that did happen, please...by all means show me.
My point being is that the quarterback and offensive line are both living off of the same heart. Obviously a quarterbacks skill set makes all the world of difference, but for a player as talented as Tannehill is; a solid offensive line would have him playing at a pro bowl level.:

 

I don't agree with Tier 1 teams are competitive for a Super Bowl based solely on the QB. If a team ONLY has a great quarterback, they will not be competitive for a Super Bowl. See Miami Dolphins 1984-1997.

 

Those teams were consistently in the playoffs and made a few AFC championship games and a SB. I'd consider that being competitive.

 

They made one Super Bowl. Lost the next two AFC Championship games they were in. They didn't challenge for the Super Bowl. Not to mention, if the other parts of the TEAM were better, then they probably would have challenged for another Super Bowl with Marino. Point still stands, a great quarterback on a ****ty team will not go to the Super Bowl.

 

I think anytime you are a perennial playoff team you challenge for a SB, with the results already played out its easy to say they didn't....but they were close on a few occasions.

 

Oh, and check out the point totals on some of those losses...Marino not leading the team to more than 20-25 points in some, and the defense letting up 25 and up numerous times. A Super Bowl win is a complete TEAM WIN.

 

You act like they were winning the division. Some of those were backing into the playoffs on wildcards. 7 out of 14 years, Dolphins weren't in the playoffs, including 4 years straight. Then what, 3 or 4 wildcard berths? This is what you call competing for Super Bowls with an elite QB?