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Steratore strikes again...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pandarilla, Jan 12, 2015.

  1. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Dez catch reversal is the latest glaring anomaly to offer fans a reality shot of just how fraudulent these games are...

    Words fall short to describe how much fun it was to be on this forum with all you guys. You guys mean more to me than any NFL team could ever hope to catch a glimpse at.

    Good luck in years to come.

    All the best...
     
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  2. Fin-Omenal

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    Hoping that crew gets assigned the SB.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    By the rules of the NFL, that wasn't a catch.
     
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  4. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    well... it was the right call, if the ball did indeed touch the ground... although.. funny how many reversals there have been in the playoffs when in the regular season it was something 30%...

    I just didn't see enough evidence that it did in fact touch the ground... his arm hit the ground, the ball was in his arm... but when he lands on the ground, could his arm have squeezed the ball so as to pop it up in the air and have the ball not actually hit the ground?
     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Really? I would have to look at it again. I thought it was obvious that it touched the ground.
     
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  6. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    By NFL RULE, its not a catch.. See-Calvin Johnson, 2009.
     
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  7. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I mean...it's the cowboys? The nfl, as a business, would much prefer the cowboys, one of the biggest franchises/markets in the league, be in the NFC championship game over the Green Bay packers, one of the smallest...

    It wasn't a fraudulent call. Maybe bad call, but not fraudulent.
     
  8. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Only the one angle shows it really well (from the sideline) but it definitely hits the ground.
     
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  9. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Unless you interpret Dez stretching toward the goal line after 3 steps as a "football move," after he caught and secured the ball and then changed hands... And by rule, that would mean a catch. There is no right answer for that play, IMO. It's all about interpreting Dez's actions after he secured the ball.

    Although, I don't know why anyone would quit watching the NFL because of it... The NFL isn't fixed or fraudulent because of human error. OP is being dramatic.
     
  10. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    lol...are you serious ?
     
  11. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Football move is not part of the equation. He was headed to the ground. You must maintain control of the ball through the whole process.

     
  12. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    To the OP,

    If there was a time to quit watching football because you thought it was a 'fraudulent' league, you should of quit watching after the Fail Mary as that call was still the most ridiculous call in recent memory. At the end of the day, it was just a call and Dallas got away with 2 penalties in one play last week that could of put Detroit into yesterdays game. IMO, it was karma for Dallas and by rule, its still not a catch.
     
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  13. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    4th and 2. No idea why they didn't feed Murray. Was he hurt?
     
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  14. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Same exact thing in BAL-NE game.. OC's deserve a lot of blame for horrible play calling.
     
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  15. djphinfan

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    this is an issue of bad management and lack of vision from the top..Logic must play a role, that was simply a great catch, no need to go any further, it was obvious he had control of the football before he tried to extend the ball to the goal line, ground can't cause a fumble, hopefully there are some smart enough people to understand where the line should be drawn without worrying about opening pandoras box.
     
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  16. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Dudes, he clearly had control with one hand when he reached forward. What makes it egregious and fraudulent is that the call was reversed. Which means irrefutable evidence.

    It's just the end of the sports road for me. When I glanced and saw Steratore's name in the corner of my eye, I had a "token" moment from South Park when the kids are playing 'Lord of the Rings' and Token gets horribly scarred by watching porn and wipes his hands of the situation and simply says "I'm out..."

    Ross is probably a NWO stooge. Philbin has turned into a total *****. And we just hired the Jets GM. Rex will continue outcoaching Philbin as a Bill.

    So even if we win the Super Bowl next year, it'll feel empty like a devil's deal. I love our players, but I can't stand everything in authority over them.

    In short this team has become a total mind bleep for me.
     
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  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And that doesn't matter.

    He never stopped moving to the ground, it didn't matter what he did as he was falling to the ground.

    That is the rule. The rule on the field is correct. It has been called this way all season. It has been called this way since Calvin Johnson's touchdown was reversed. There was irrefutable evidence. It was obvious by NFL rules that was not a catch.

    If the call on the field would have standed, that would have been fraudulent.
     
  18. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Exactly, the Calvin Johnson TD was clearly a TD as well. Because you know what, we'll just adopt a new definition and move on, isn't evolution of the game so cool?

    It's not the same game anymore. Football is being morphed into some weird cultural thing that has turned Americans into subservient thugs. I'm really not either of those things. Don't need extra psychotic emotions over something that has very little meaning.
     
  19. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Not to mention that the pay scale for head football coaches in America insults my intelligence... the irony is that the only salary that can compete with a head coach is a plastic surgeon in California.

    I'm sticking to stand up for my comedy...
     
  20. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Did you witness a murder because of that catch ruling? I can seen how that can be traumatizing.
     
  21. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly. I'm not sure what the issue is here.

    Blame the rule, not the ref.

    I know we've had our issues with Steratore... but he's not to blame here. He called it like the rulebook says he should have.

    Personally, once I saw it I knew it would get overturned, the ball clearly hits the ground and he looses possession.
     
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  22. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I get that by the rule it was a no catch. But, it was a catch. The problem IMO is this wording "a football move". WTF is a "football move?" A more ambiguous term I don't think I've ever heard. Did Dez not complete a football move after he caught the ball?

    It used to be you had to have control and take two steps with the ball. Dez had control and took three steps. It was a catch. Horrible call. Cost Dallas the game in all likelihood. How much do I care, because it was Dallas (who was on the other side of a similarly egregious call last week against Detroit)? Not so much. But, my issue is with the NFL Rules Committee who continue to bastardize the game beyond all recognition. I also think instant replay is slowly but surely ruining the game. I mean, shouldn't it be reserved for the most egregious of bad calls? Now, every score, turnover, and/or significant play is "under review." WTF are these officials being paid for if they can't make the call right on the field? You know, many times too much oversight is not as good thing. They are slowly but surely ruining the game.
     
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  23. Fin-Omenal

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    I've yet to see it hit the ground without him possessing the ball....haven't seen all the angles though. Anyone?
     
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  24. Disgustipate

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    The worst part of the ruling wasn't catch/no catch, it was that 30 seconds ran off the clock as if it were a catch and wasn't reset after.
     
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  25. resnor

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    He definitely possessed the ball. He wasn't going to the ground as a result of the catch. He was going to the ground as result of taking two steps and getting tangled up with the defender. The issue isn't necessarily the rule, but the interpretation of the play as being the process of the catch. My opinion, he finished the catch when he secured the ball. He then took two steps, got tangled up, started to go down, so he lunged for the end zone. Then his elbow hit before the ball came out. Should have been Dallas ball on the 1 yard line.
     
  26. CrunchTime

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    I am not an expert but it did not look like irrefutable to me.He had control of the ball until he fell on the ground.It was a gutsy call IMO.The defense was not expecting it and Bryant is more than capable of making a play on the ball as he did.They were going for all the marbles ala Dan Marino.

    I would like to see some of the same moxy at times from Queasy.

    On the plus side I dont like the Cowboys.:wink2:
     
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  27. gunn34

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    It's not a bad call........it's a bad rule.
     
  28. Vertical Limit

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    OP is likely a raging Cowboys fan.
     
  29. muscle979

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    I think Steratore is only crooked when he calls Steelers games. He called that play the way it had to be called according to rules. They're stupid rules but what can you do.
     
  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's only called according to the rules if you believe that the action of the catch was taking him to the ground. I didn't see it that way. The action of the catch wasn't what took him to the ground. I still see a guy make a catch, secure the ball, take two steps and get tangled up, and then lunge for the endzone, fumbling the ball after his elbow hits the ground.
     
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  31. Fin-Omenal

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    Without picture by picture evidence it appeared he caught the ball-took 3 steps- fell to the ground- the ball bobbled but he still had possession- rolled over it popped up- he regained possesion again.

    I don't see how you overturn that play, if you call it incomplete initially then so be it. But to claim that without a doubt that wasn't a catch is imo a call made with the previous weeks events in mind.
     
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  32. brandon27

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    It doesn't matter how many steps he took, because his momentum is carrying him out of his jump, to the ground on his feet and he stumbles to the turf. That's not him taking three steps, he's simply trying to get on his feet. the steps are irrelevant according to the rule, becasue he was going to the ground while completing the catch still, because he did not yet maintain his footing under his own power, and make a football move to establish himself as a runner. Therefore, he has to maintain possession through the act of hitting the ground (because he was falling to the ground after the catch, had he landed on both feet, established himself as a runner with posession, then moved forward it would be a different story) The steps were only his momentum from the jump, he did not regain his position under his own power, then perform an action normal to the game, such as establishing himself as a runner, under his own power and balance. Because he's going to the ground, he has to maintain possession all the way through hitting the ground. He clearly does not as he looses posession of the ball as it hits the ground.

    They had great discussion on sirius NFL this morning on the issue with Blandino himself.

    They don't anticipate the rule ever changing due to the unintended consequences that will follow. For example, lets say in this exact play, Dez is at midfield... are you ok with calling that a fumble now? Or are we only upset with the ruling because it could have negated a touchdown? The competition committee has decided they'd rather have those types of plays be incomplete passes in all situations, rather than potential turnovers.
     
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  33. resnor

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    Yes, I think it should be a fumble if he were at midfield. I still think that he took two steps under his own power, and then got tripped up. If he doesn't get tripped on the third step, then he doesn't stumble and lunge for the endzone. He didn't fall down as a result of the catch. Oh well, it is what it is.
     
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  34. Paul 13

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    still say the ball never hit the ground. Is it irrefutable?

    Maybe they need to design a new ball with computer sensors all over it, that if it hits the ground, you can see that on a replay. .
     
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    I see the NFL is still dealing with the legacy of Mike Pereira. This entire concept of "completing the process of the catch" is completely imaginary. The phrase doesn't appear in the rule book. It's an arbitrary standard imposed by Pereira to justify the Calvin Johnson ruling in 2010, just like how the tuck rule came into being after the refs gave the Patriots a gift against the Raiders.
     
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  36. Rouk

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    Yeah I dunno if that happened to the dolphins in the playoffs i would have a heart attack probably. To me it seemed like a catch clear as day. Dez caught the ball with 2 hands put it in his chest moved the ball to one hand and lunged for the endzone. Not to mention they overturned so few plays this year and that one gets overturned even though the ref was 2 feet from it. Looked like a makeup for the whole lions fiasco the week before.

    at the end of the day though its the cowboys so who really cares
     
  37. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    He caught the ball turned his body with possession took three steps controlled the ball, exchanged to one hand in order to reach forward as he was pushed or tripped to the ground if that's not a football move then they need to remove the words football move from the rules. The next game played in the NFL Colts try catching a punt takes no steps never controls the ball but on review maintains the ball Colts win game shortly after.
     
  38. VManis

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    I think from this angle its pretty clear that his momentum is taking him to the ground and that the ball did hit the ground which caused it to come loose.

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  39. jdang307

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    People keep saying football move. Cut that from the equation! You don't even get to a football move yet, because he never even completed the catch.

    Again, "football move" is irrelevant. He had control of the ball yes. But he was headed to the ground. When that happens, it doesn't matter if you take one step or stumble through 20 steps. You have to control the ball throughout the process. Dez didn't. He lost control of the ball.

    Again, if you are asking or bringing up "football moves" you're asking the wrong thing. If Dez landed on two feet and stable. Then made a football move then it was a catch. But he never landed cleanly and was headed to the ground.

    At which point does it look like Dez was NOT headed to the ground? It's apparent he was going to the ground as soon as he landed.

    If the ball didn't move when it hit the ground, Dez would have been good.
     
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  40. jdang307

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    It's not in the rules. That's why everyone who brings it up is wrong. I posted the rule on the last page.


    You don't see football move or "move common to the game" here.
     

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