Someone mentioned a very salient point earlier. At some point we have to salt away some money to get Tannehill an extension
And a natural assumption after you sign a younger guy with the same skill set for 10% of the cost. Of course would prefer a trade but no one wants to eat the salary most likely
Neither Clay nor Cameron is much of a run-blocker (though Clay has made strides), so the "2TE Dream Set" is just a dream for now. My guess is that the plan is to have Cameron out wide, put Landry in the slot, use Stills as the new Wallace, and (if we sign Clay) use him as a motion H-back that switches between H-back, TE, and even slot. It wouldn't at all be a 2-TE set. That said, I also think the Ellerbe thing was to get that salary off the books to get the wiggle room to sign Clay. He counts for $7M under the transition tag, which limited our ability to sign him to a long-term deal (and if Buffalo was smart and quick, they could have front-loaded a contract to screw us).
As much as we need the cap space, I kinda wished we could've kept Wallace. Clay, Cameron, Landry and Stills plus Wallace would've been a dynamic group. I guess this means we can resign Tanny and Pouncey to long term deals.
Wallace is worth $10M/y to someone, especially without any signing bonus. I don't think he's worth $10M/y to us. I also don't think he would average $10M/y on a new deal, but he would get somewhere in the $8M range plus guarantees. That probably makes it worth someone's while to snag him for a year or two on low-risk (i.e., continuing out his contract on a year-to-year non-guaranteed basis). That said, the compensation would have to be LOW. A 5th at best.
I'm pretty sure they have been trying and the offers can't be that big. Having said that, if a 6th or 7th rounder is on the table as best offer, we better jump on it rather then releasing him outright. The contract, lack of production (as far as 10 million dollars go) and late season temper tantrum has to be on the minds of other teams.
Such a low pick for a 10 TD receiver. Personally I'd rather keep him than get a pick that's expendable. I understand the financial situation but damn that would be such a lopsided trade.
I think people are really overestimating the value of Mike Wallace. We signed him as a free agent on the open market (not a trade) to an enormous deal -- top 5 WR money. In other words, we paid the most anyone was willing to pay. A few years later, after performing under what he did in Pittsburgh and aging a bit, we think someone's going to pay draft picks to assume the right to finish out that top-5 deal? As I said above, I think the only reason a team would do that is to avoid the signing bonus. He would not command the same contract in this market, and with this WR draft class. Also, his reputation is not quite sterling after his hissy fits here and there.
There is other variables involved. Here are some things teams will use as leverage as why not to give us high compensation. 1) Off the rip, we seem desperate to move him at this point. 2) His monster contract and late production don't equal. (His 10 TD's are good, but his low reception and yards count are hardly worth 3 million a year) 3) His late season temper tantrum. 4) Teams probably know we are cutting him soon (after trading for deep threat Stills), so it has to be a team that REALLY wants Wallace and im not sure a team REALLY wants Wallace at 10 million a year unless its known they can get a restructure from him. I easily think Landry can be a 10 TD a year guy for us. Wallace's 10 TD's came from a **** load of targets and his yards and reception count isn't pretty. I think it's a little outrageous to think we can get anything better then a 5th round pick for him, especially after the reasons I placed above.
Thank you, I wholeheartedly agree. I think some put Wallace on some pedestal, like we can get a 2nd or even 3rd round pick for him. It's not gonna happen. Fans better temper their expectations, if we can get a 6th and/or a 7th for him, I'm doing backflips.(You have to remember that whatever (or if) a team trades for Wallace, they are taking on this HUGE contract that he hasn't lived up to which is why we won't get that good of compensation for him, but i'm cool with it because I try to steer clear of fantasy land.)
All I can say is if your not in the Club with all this news..................damn you missed out large this year boyyyyyyyyyy!
Hoping the Vikings and AP. Or in general hoping for a player for player swap. I don't think we'd get much in draft pick return. But at least AP's salary is nearly the exact same as Wallace's.
Wallace will fetch us something. His value isn't as low as some think either. Is this AP thing complete speculation by our posters? Don't do this to us lowly folk here outside the Club!
I've actually been considering joining up, especially seeing the quality of posts of the posters that are members there, and at this time of year with all the news, rumors, whispers, etc. Is stuff like the Kenny Stills trade, Suh interest, etc. generally revealed/known beforehand in the Club section I'm assuming?
how about Wallace for Tight end Charlie Johnson or runningback Kendall Hunter he is a good third down back .
trade is perhaps the next move with Wallace not an outright release http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...hins-place-mike-wallace-back-on-trading-block