"I might still be in Miami if they let me sign Drew Brees"

First, the article linked above has nothing to do with Saban blaming the medical team. He has said in the past they gave him the odds, and it turned out to be wrong. The medical team are not fortune tellers.

Despite all of that, he still overruled the medical team. NO Saints gave him $60m, 10m guaranteed the first year. The Dolphins never matched that, even before they ruled him out medically. After the Dolphins doctors gave him a negative grade, Saban still offered him a contract. Saban and Brees have both admitted this.

So he did overrule the medical team. Just like Jason Allen, when they signed him but inserted a hip clause. The lower contract offer was essentially risk management for the shoulder. The Dolphins never offered what the Saints offered even before the medical stuff. Saban was not about to offer Brees top dollar when all the medical stuff came out so negative. But he still gave him an offer despite it.

 

His "motivation" tactics didn't really work on grown men making more money than he.

 

Fine so he didn't believe in Brees enough to offer as much. Whatever. The point is that it was ultimately his call, nobody else's. If you actually listen to Saban speak on that campus insider's interview it's all about how "we weren't able to sign him" and how that soured him since he felt he could control things better in college. The fact is that he had control. He had all the control. It was his decision and he made the wrong one. Him, not we. It's the same thing we heard about when he was in Miami. He treated everybody like crap and blamed everybody. He's a piece of crap person who isn't accountable for any decisions that go wrong.

 

Imagine any person hearing themselves summed up this way. lol.

Tell us what you really think of him, rafs. Don't hold back.

 

IMO how you treat people says a lot about your character. When he was here the one thing that was consistent was that he treated most everybody poorly. We saw it in the press conferences when he would belittle reporters. The employees we knew who worked in the facility hated him. Saban wouldn't even talk to them, but he'd have his toady fire or berate people for the slightest infraction (like saying good morning to him). So yeah, I think he's a piece of crap person and I'm glad he's no longer associated with a team I root for.

 

I agree. But don't let him upset you or the terrorists win.

 

he can say whatever he wants but if wanted brees he would of signed him. doctors may ofadvised against it bu the decission was his alone to make and he chose Culpepper.

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if i had this before posting it would of saved me some effort.

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i agree it was a hard decission but it was his to make. he is not saying he made a mistake he is blaming the doctors for not making his choice easier.

he made a series of really bad choices and knew it was going to take time to undo the damage and he instead of sticking it out he went back to familiar territory.

his biggest downfall was not having a gm to help him assemble the roster

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If Saban wants the Miami job he can have it.. still better than Philbin.

 

I remember his drafts they were pure ****

 

Not sure I'm buying that, JT got the DPoY under Saban, and Saban did make a rookie cry, lol.

 

Saban was almost 10 years ago, let it go

 

Don't agree IMO. I think the players played hard under him.

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Well, I wouldn't go that far, but they were mediocre, but it was his first 2 drafts, he could have got better, and got better help deciding as well.

He's a leader though, and he's a smart football coach, you can give the GM job to someone else, I don't remember if he was the official GM, but whoever was, was letting him pick the players though.

2 first round picks that never panned out, neither were complete busts, but Jason Allen was pretty close, and Ronnie wasn't as stellar as you wanted due to draft stock, but far from a bust, and in truth was one of the best players to come out of that top 10, which was horrible, and he ended up being the best RB in that crop, and RB was a huge need at the time.

Grade- Less than what you want, one fail and another that wasn't a complete success, so overall fail.

Saban only had 1 2nd, Matt Roth and 2 3rds, Channing Crowder and Derek Hagan, Hagan is with Tenn I think, a decent enough to hang around the NFL this long 3rd - 5th WR, Roth was a dependable, steady unspectacular DE and OLB for several years and Crowder was a good runstuffing LB for a few years.

Grade- Not quite what you want, but 3 productive NFL players out of 3 picks, not a fail.

Two 4th round picks, one fail and one ST teams player.

Grade- Less than what you want, 2 ST players would be better, but not quite a fail.

One 5th, fail, and four 7ths, but 3 of the 7ths amounted to something in the NFL, highlighted by Kevin Vickerson, DT just signed by the Jets.

Grade- Better than you can expect, there's one of them still playing, and Fred Evens DT, played until 2013, and Devin Aromashodu WR played until 2012.

Ironically similar to Ireland, not so good at the top, but better results late, however, 2 drafts isn't enough to make a fair judgement.

 

9-7 then 6-10 seasons. Didn't really look like it IMO.

 

Taylor was an established veteran then with a known work ethic.

 

Wait.......

What?

 

I think with the bad dicision of qp and Ricky messing up

With the weed he gave up ,I think he was a good coach even though he screw us

 

Funny I forgive Ricky anytime best rb I liked watching

 

I think it's a little too easy to look back sometimes and say, X, because Brees was a, just coming into his own QB that just had SHOULDER surgery, be vary wary of QBs coming off shoulder surgery, there's a good reason for that logic, Brees was in no way, any type of slam dunk decision at the time, so it's tough to look back in retrospect and say "he should have" and hold that against him, he opted for a QB with a knee problem, who 2 years prior had led an offense that set an NFL record for points.

Hindsight is always 20-20 as they say.

 

JT probably deserves it more but I'd say I like Ricky better.

 

I'm not too sure how Saban would fit with the current FO and as a package I'd rather have Tannebaum/Hickey/Philbin than Saban in all three roles.

During the TB game, Tannebaum was discussing the new Sports Science initiative and how players were wearing activity trackers and being shut down if they were getting overexerted. It got me thinking that not all HC would put up with that and that. The fact that Philbin has signed on to the program could very well be one of the factors as to why he still has a job. I certainly can't see Saban listening to the Sports Science department about shutting down a player and/or practice.

 

I agree with those pointing out (rightly so) that Saban had a choice with respect to Drew Brees and it's crappy of him to pretend he had no choice. It is, however, very typical of Nick to lay blame elsewhere.

The all-important weekend when everything was happening, James Andrews (who had been iffy at best on whether his surgery was going to succeed) took a look at Drew's shoulder and concluded that recovery was commencing and the prognosis would be full health, eventually.

Third party doctors and the Dolphins own doctors were still stuck on the 20-30% thing. They were stuck on the surgery's theoretical prognosis. They hadn't been the ones inside the shoulder during the surgery. Andrews was, and he's the one that said full recovery that weekend after making an examination, and the Dolphins just didn't buy it because they thought he was selling them a line.

That was a choice. And Saban could have influenced that choice, if not made it outright. He had plenty of pull within the organization at that time.

Drew also recounts quite often how awful his visit with the Dolphins was compared with his visit with the Saints, how the Dolphins set everything up like Drew had to prove to them why they should deign to offer him a contract, whereas the Saints were straight up recruiting him and trying to convince him why he should sign with them. He recounts phone conversations with Nick Saban where he asked the coach point blank, don't tell me what your doctors think, tell me what YOU think, do YOU believe in me, and Saban hemmed and hawed in reply.

The dirty lie that Nick Saban won't tell people is that he had already lost Drew Brees before they officially decided not to offer him.

 

I hadn't heard that one. Really illustrates the point, if true.

 

The doctors didn't make the choice. They were in an advisory role only. And the one doctor whose opinion should have counted the most, had his prognosis of full recovery disregarded.

The facts are what they are.

 

Pretty sure this is just Saban's way of signaling that he is interested in an NFL team with a franchise, or at least good QB.

It's less about the Dolphins and more a sign to Jim Irsay or John Mara or whoever that he can be had.

 

As for the "offer" that the Dolphins gave Brees, it is my understanding that the Dolphins were doing that purely for Drew's benefit as a favor so that he could continue to use them as leverage in his negotiations with the Saints. The Dolphins even promised Drew that they would not allow it to leak to the press that they had decided he's too big of a medical risk.

Simple fact of the matter is the myth that this was a pure yes or no decision by the Dolphins is a lie. It's weird that this myth perpetuates despite countless illustrations of free agent activities which boiled down to recruiting efforts made by teams followed by the player making a decision with which team he will sign a contract.

The Dolphins had lost Drew Brees during his visit and during Nick Saban's conversations with him. Had Saban heroically decided at the last that he was going to disregard the opinion of his own medical people, and that of a few specialists who postulated in theory what the prognosis of such a surgery might be, it wouldn't have mattered because he already botched it.

 

It was not Saban's fault for not signing Brees, the medical staff would not sign off on it.


That is what we were told I thought. This information brings new light of the situation, and how it really went down. I always liked him and now, I am real disappointed in him.

 

My memory was that Saban pushed DC quite hard in training camp after coming off a Brandon Albert type knee injury. chances are if he had chosen Drew Brees he would have pushed him hard in Training Camp too, increasing thr chances of f***ing up the rehabilitation. Nothing about the way Saban coaches gives me any faith that he knows how to handle rehabilitation from long term injury. Once he breaks a toy he just gets a new one from his recruiting class.

 

that was sugar coated compared to what i think of him lol

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I think Saban could have saved it. Brees really wanted Miami. I don't buy for a second his slightly embellished revisionist version he tells in his book. He's not really going to bash New Orleans all that bad ex post facto. Miami was the Supermodel that might say yes to a date, meanwhile you have a date lined up with Rosie O'Donnell. That's how bad NO looked as a destination after Katrina. Brees admitted Miami was the attractive destination after coming from San Diego.

Saban and Miami turned him off, and it was indeed a slow, gradual decline in the decision about Miami. But I absolutely beleive Saban could have saved in in that last call. Brees asked him, what do you feel about me. Is Saban said, "eff my medical staff you're my guy I love you Drew" I think Brees could have turned. It wasn't a yes/no decision, I agree about that. But Brees wanted Miami, notwithstanding the recruiting effort of the Saints.