Tannehill = dead last in Total Quarterback Rating?

Plenty more? Yeah ok....................are you forgetting about the wide open deep balls he's missed badly during his tenure. He hasn't improved his deep game at all. Do YOU actually watch the games?

 

Jerry Rice also had his share of drops, whats the point, all WRs have drops, every QB has to deal with it, it's part of football and not an excuse for QBs.

 

The "wide open" misses were almost universally to Wallace. Leads me to believe that issue wasn't all on Tannehill.

When a tan leads the league in drops, as the Dolphins did for a quarter of the season, it is a huge problem, and not one that most quarterbacks experience.

If you actually believe that Tannehill's deep ball hasn't improved, and you actually believe that he currently and historically threw/throws a bad deep ball, then you are either blinded by hate, or don't watch the games.

I could argue that other QBs benefit from receivers turning 5 yard balls into 20 yard gains, but it won't stop you from minimizing his production this season.

 

Lol...apparently not the same games you do.

Forgive me if I don't trust the top of your head.

It appears you consider "deep" for Tannehill to be 10 yard passes or so. I get that. And Is that the same Williams and Stills who aren't credited with any drops this year?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/

And It looks like the number of drops for Sims is "O"

And you think Tannehill suffers from an extraordinary amount of drops as compared to the rest of the league?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2015/

 

I haven't missed a game in 16 years and I want RT to succeed as much as anyone, but i'm also objective.

 

Yes but what does Skip Bayless think?

 

This yr, his sense of timing has been really bad

 

I guess it depends on what one defines as deep. He had a beautiful pass that traveled about 35 yards beyond the line-of-scrimmage to Stills in the Titans game. The only other pass he completed beyond 30 yards was a 46 yard to Matthews against the Bills in the first game. It was actually a duck he just chucked on 4th down in the 4th quarter that usually gets picked off (Not blaming RT on that as I would prefer he take the chance. It just wouldn't be considered an accurate deep ball.) that Matthews made a great play of coming out of the end zone and going down to the ground at the 1 then rolling into the end zone while the Bills DB was clueless to what was taking place.

Statistically this year from 21-30 yards Tannehill has completed 7 of 25 passes (28%) as compared to 6 of 22 passes (27.3%) last year.

I actually do think there is slight improvement. I wouldn't go so far as night and day. After watching Taylor throw two gorgeous deep balls Sunday I would say RT is still far from being considered a serious deep threat passer.

 

Maybe they should had not giving him that big contract deal.

 

I thought that pass to Parker was excellent.

 

Reading comprehension not strong tonight? Williams was last year, as was the Sims one. I specified last year.

As to Stills, he dropped a deep ball two weeks ago, I believe. Right in his hands. You don't remember seeing it when you watched the game? Can't believe you're seeing him not credited with at least one drop this season.

 

He had a beautiful ball to Parker that was negated from a holding penalty.

 

Further, I was CLEARLY referencing last season when our receivers lead the league through the first four games for drops.

Second, I would have sworn it was Stills that dropped that ball a couple games ago, but he's being listed as no drops.

Edit: Rocky remembers the Stills drop. Was against the Pats. Was a really bad drop, not sure how is not being recorded as one.

 

Comprehension is fine just having a lot of trouble with your logic. When I read a "ton" I think it is a rather large amount, outside of the norm which it isn't. When I read they are "frequently" deep balls that are dropped I actually think you mean "deep" passes which it appears you don't mean. When I read a player has "multiple" drops I think it being more than "1" which you now claim it is 1...and last year

Whatever you say, I surrender b/c it is way too late in the day to spend mental energy on trying to decipher what you actually mean.

 

I was referencing last season, mostly. When you don't throw deep alot, and your receivers drop easy deep balls, and lead the league in drops through the first four games, yes, that's a problem. I didn't say that Williams had multiple, I was saying that the team dropped multiple against the Pats last year, and I specifically said it was last year. That is why, when I referenced Stills, I said "this year." Just stop trying to play Gotcha.

You want to act like that didn't happen? Be my guest.

 

I agree. My stats show him to be ranked somewhere between 25 to 30. Also, he has zero fire. Throws a bad pick...smiling on the sideline. Misses a snap two weeks in a row for a safety, laughing on the sideline. If he is the leader of the offense he needs to grow a sack.
Tanny is khao.

 

rt is **** trade him and get rogers we need a qb not an ol no need for de no need for corners rt is responsible for the bills 2 over 40 yards pss tds and the over 250m yards the bills put on sue

 

There was a penalty on the play that negated the drop. It was a ridiculous drop by Stills. I believe Stills caught a deep pass not long afterward though. Thill looks better throwing deep this year. He's just so reluctant to do so.

 

End of the first half debacle at the goal line, Fox getting eaten which does happen, THill sensed the pressure coming dealt with it poorly etc

Stuff like this, imho THill's deep passing is night and day improved, still is a bit wild at times, this yr his guys are bailing him out those passes..mostly.

My issue with THill is not his stats, nor BSPN, more his lack of sense of timing during a ball game, there are times when the QB has to make it happen and THill has been dreadful in making it happen this year.

Must win, muffed snap, safety, free kick, usually a good return chance, D in bad position Bills score a Td, chance for a late 1st half score, with a TO in hand, TO not called, D wisely fouls (..they had a sense of the moment) now no Td, no FG.

THAT has been Tannehill this season

 

Total QBR is probably the most irrelevant stat in sports. Last week Aaron Rodgers (77-0-0) was rated above Brady (356-4-0) and Ryan (397-2-1).

 

can you explain in as much detail as possible why??..sorry im just reading this thread for the 2nd time so if you already answered I apoligize

 

well, passer rating has no measure of context in their numbers....thats just garbage if you ask me..literally, garbage time stats.

 

I just dont agree with that last sentence, when you know how many qbs gets good stats in garbage time when a defense is playing you completely differently relative to the when the game is in question...lots of qbs can complie good numbers when the defense has softened.

 

does anyone know what ryans passer rating is in the first halfs of games?, this year and career?

 

Career - 85.7
2015 - 86.4

 

86 career and 86 this season.

 

This has it by quarter for his entire career: 1st quarter: 84.7, 2nd: 86.4, 3rd: 93.5, 4th: 76.1
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/splits/

For this year: 1st half 89.4, 2nd half 88.1 (they have it by quarter too at the bottom)
http://www.nfl.com/player/ryantannehill/2532956/situationalstats

I suspect that 3rd quarter stat for his career has a lot to do with Philbin's good game adjustments. 4th quarter rating jibes with what we know that he isn't a closer.

 

Devil you know vs. devil you don't. Passer rating = devil we know, but at least it's pretty clear what they value. QBR = who knows how they adjust for context exactly.. so not only could it be garbage (and might not fit your intuition), we don't even know what they're doing.

I vote for Devil we know (besides, traditional passer rating does provide a nice crude summary that includes Y/A, Comp/A, TD and INT.. for a simple formula it's not bad given how well it correlates with winning).

 

is this a typo Taz?

 

fair enough..this question and comparison is making my head explode..I hate passer rating because it has 0 context, 1 yard screen taken 80 yards to the house is the same a deep 9 route perfectly placed under pressure for 6, doesnt make any sense...int that bounces off the receivers hands into the arms of a defender goes against...thats really ridicuous if one thinks about it...think about that, the qb is punished by his own teammate for throwing a perfect pass....lol, dumbest thing iver ever heard of in the stat world..

 

thanks Brad I appreciate that..

 

No, it's not.

 

All valid points. One way to deal with it is to ask yourself whether you think these things average out or not. If they do, then it's not a problem.

For example, if in some games passer rating is inflated by abnormally large YAC (affecting the Y/A component), but in a similar number of games receivers are just dropping way too many catches (abnormally) lowering the Y/A component, then you don't have a problem because things average out over time.

It's where you can convince yourself that they don't really average out.. that's where you have a good critique of the lack of context in passer rating (or any other stat).

 

if that system is the best this league has to offer, in todays world of metrics, we are a bunch of dinosaurs...giving the system a built in excuse that it all balances out in the end, once again offers no context..its why i dont use stats..im just intrigued by them if they back what im seeing or go aganst what im seeing.lol

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/type/player-week/week/8

 

hmm, I don't think they should average out, because thats an inaccurate theory.

 

do they ever explain why?