Would you be willing to trade Tannehill for a 1st rounder?

Well, I believed it when he turned the team around in 2011 and closed the year with a 6-3 record (after starting 0-7 and folks pretty much giving up), so it's hard to see any possible downside by giving him another chance now. The team could really use a confident leader on the field at this point in the season.

 

Not really but I'd rather trade him, use that salary on other positions, rebuild with Moore, then draft a QB.


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I do believe Moore is better then Tannehill. I do believe Moore could easily throw 90% of his passes for 5 yards and do as well as Tannehill. I believe Moore scans the field faster and better then Tannehill.

 

The one real area I think Moore is better is his attacking attitude, which is contagious with the other players, there is just a higher level of excitement with the O when he's on the field.

 

In a minute.

 

Well he did have a higher YPA the season before Tannehill started and did have more INTs, so yes he is a lot more aggressive lol.

It's a shame because Tannehill should match him in that without as many INTs if he's going to be a franchise QB. And no, guys, his YPA is extremely inflated this season by the Tennessee and Houston games, which was 9.2 and a staggering 14.8, respectively.


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I agree. and it opens up the running game too as defense will back off. You can see the energy and quicker pace when Moore plays.

 

I'm just curious how you came to this opinion and perception ... From his play from 2011 or from what you've seen from him in the preseason ? Honest question.. I haven't seen him play much since then .


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Yes and yes, from his play when he earned the starting job imo, when he basically turned the team around, and this preseason he was a lot better than Tanne, against lesser comp for sure, but there was a real jump up in overall team "juice" when he was out there, attacking the D downfield, challenging the DBs, most of the points we scored as a team were when he was in there this preseason, and the current state of the O certainly plays a part in my estimation, they seem pretty lifeless out there, just going through the motions.

 

Once again, just a question . I thought that RT looked lights out in limited preseason action.. And that Moore looked terrible. I could be wrong . I have a tough time making decisions about Moore from what he did in 2011 translating to this offense and these players.. I did like what I saw of Moore that year, but never thought of him as being anything but a good backup . Do you see Matt starting for any other team besides the Dolphins this year?


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I wonder how many people that voted "No" or "Only for a top 15 pick" realize that a bunch of his guaranteed money is tied up in his $9.34 million salary in 2016, and that he has another $23.5 million guaranteed for injury.

In other words whichever team trades the 1st round pick for Ryan Tannehill would be taking on the responsibility for nearly the entirety of his contract. Miami will have only given him about $12.1 million for his 2015 season before cashing in their chips.

I'd do that. Miami is about to have a top 15 pick themselves, and a second 1st round pick would basically allow whoever is the new head coach to get on board with a player at the position that he's on board with wholeheartedly. That could be Connor Cook, Jared Goff or Paxton Lynch.

You could dip into free agency and pick up a player capable of producing at the level Ryan Tannehill has this year, and that player could do that while the younger QB learns. Sam Bradford, Drew Stanton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Hasselbeck and Kirk Cousins are about to be free agents. And that's if you don't like Matt Moore. Some do.

 

I think Tannehill only led them to like 1 TD in the preseason. His stats were pretty. Moore led them to more TD's and the offense just looked faster as when tannehill was running it. it looked like the game was faster when Moore was playing; more energy

 

Tannehill went 33-41 303 3 Td 's.. I knew he had done pretty well.. I'm trying to find Matt's numbers. Not that it means anything.. I seem to think Matt struggled a bit. Trying to see where people get the perception that Matt looked good . Will keep looking


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15/30 166 yards 1 TD 2 INT 3 FUM (1 lost)

 

Thanks Steve.. I was pretty sure that he struggled


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Yeah but the game was faster, more energy. LOL.

 

Scored most of their points, yada yada.

 

Are we discussing pre season stats??

 

Well, someone said they were impressed by his preseason showing...

 

Who's? and why? It's pre season.

 

Finster was saying that Moore looked better in this preseason, hence people were posting up the preseason stats for both guys.

I know preseason is completely meaningless.

 

Lol can you imagine what he'd say if a pro Tannehill guy brought up his preseason numbers??!

 

Quick story.

I went to all three preseason games against the Panthers (well, one real game....and two scrimmages with 70,000 fans packing the lawns at Wofford College). For the scrimmages, they took both first team offenses and put them on separate fields against first team defenses. So basically, you had two games going at once with Philbin disciplining ALL players on one field, and Rivera calling the shots on the other one. It was extremely cool how both teams worked together like that.

Anyway, our offense (1st and 2nd team) was lighting up the Panthers something horrible...both Moore and Tannehill looked very solid. But what I noticed was that when Moore was on the sidelines, the receivers were talking to him and asking questions, while Tannehill basically kept to himself, joked around or exchanged quick words. So yes, these guys definitely identify Moore as a team leader, even though he rides the bench.

What impressed me about Moore though was that he plays fearlessly....at one point he went deep three times in a row for a TD, another TD and an interception. They swapped him out after the pick, Tannehill played for about 15 minutes and then Moore came back in. His first pass- about a 25 yard bullet that was picked off. And his next throw was a 40 yard (in the air) pass that was dropped for an easy TD. That's Matt Moore though, and he literally smiled the entire time.

Also, at one point on day one Rivera asked Philbin to bench about half of his starting D-line because they were eating Cam Newton alive! Even with the red shirts and limited contact on the QB's, they weren't letting Cam throw anything and everybody in blue was getting frustrated. I remember thinking that day that we'd have the best D in the entire league this season...whoops. But that goes to show you, training camp and preseason means little. Just look at the Panthers roll....and we dominated them.

 

I totally agree with you there Keyfin.

A dominant DL is what I expected and the only reason I thought the defense would be good this year. Didn't happen, and the rest is history.

 

Lol... are you kidding? When it doesn't happen, you'll have your evidence. I'd be truly surprised if someone even gives us a second.

If not Moore pick any FA you want. But Tannehill is not gonna be any better than him especially not with all the holes this team has. Two first would help us make a dramatic improvement to this team in one year for a QB who shouldn't even be in our future plans anymore.

 

Not kidding.

Are we know allowed to make stuff up and cal it proof?

 

I voted "no" because I know we can win with Tannehill. I don't even need to factor in his contract. He's getting paid what a starter with a new contract gets paid.

Ive seen the good and I've seen the bad for four years. The guy is still growing and improving aspects of his game. I don't think it gets mentioned enough how his ball placement is a TON better than it was, even with the short stuff. He's more accurate even tho his % is down. His deep ball is fine.

Give him a running game and he will flourish.

 

It's called common sense. It will take a very desperate team to offer up a 2nd. It would take a dumber GM than 10 Jeff Ireland's to trade a 1st for a mediocre QB (and his contract)

It may be possible (like winning the lottery is possible) but highly unlikely.

 

Would you trade him for a Slim Jim and a cold PBR?

 

Why can't he throw a fade pass into the end zone to save his WR's life after 4 years?

 

The same planet you're on, dude. But some of us have been around the block a few more times than you have.!

 

yeah he flourished against the Ravens with a running game. Ck was nice about it. Anybody who wouldn't trade a 1st rounder for thill doesn't have much football intelligence. Anybody who wouldn't trade him for a top 15 is utterly clueless. Nevermind the fact he isn't worth what he's getting in terms of money.

 

Finish your Budweiser and then never come back.

 

That takes a long time on this board when it comes to Tannehill LB.

 

I don't drink. I stay in great shape. I rarely eat anything without being high in nutrients let alone drink budweiser. Just because you're likely a fat and lazy fan who obviously isn't real football intelligent doesn't mean I am. Instead of showing your ignorance and drinking habits why don't you explain why you disagree. How is Thill actually worth a top 15 pick?

 

I think its great you do that, but Id like to point out not everyone who drinks once in a while is fat and lazy. I have the occasional few beers and I'm 6'1 and 177 pounds. If anything Im underweight with a very active job.

 

I'd have to take a look first at who our next coach would be. I mean if we are clearly erasing the past and starting new...maybe I'd do it. I can see reasons for making the trade...and I can see reasons not to.

Biggest thing is this...beginning of year..
How many said no way? Hard to put this kind of development into a guy, have one meh season and trade him away...especially when the rest of team from top down is meh

 

Why would you reply to a post by insulting others? Who the **** turned you into Gods Gift to the Gridiron?

 

Why would anyone want to have an actual conversation with someone who says others have no football intelligence and are utterly clueless?