Which Coach or Czar could bring us back to relevance

your point is extremely relevant which is why I have been saying all along that this team is screwed for many years until the new coach is able to purge this disaster of a roster and all the over spending that has occurred

It would not surprise me that we are 6-10 - 9-7 for several years and go through another head coach in the process until we can really have the ability to undo all the **** Tannenbaum/Hicky have caused

The new coach will be tasked with an almost impossible task as a result and quality hHC will not want the challange unless there is a understanding of how screwed we are at the moment. I believe we will end up with a no-name guy as our new head coach as a result because Ross will be impatient and want to win now. Like it or not we are going to be in full rebuild mode with 210 mill eaten up between 2 players, one which has made zer difference(SUH)

I hate to be negative but this team is a disaster

We have needs at almost every position, Including multiple linemen on offense and defense, corner, safty, linebacker, TE, and ultimately wide receiver soon.

 

Honestly, if you really think about it, its more rare to NOT win a SB with a HoF QB then it is to win with one.

Most HoF QBs have a SB win.

 

It'll be hard to sell this team to any quality HC with our staff and QB.

 

You mean like Mike Shula?

 

You think the Panthers are stacked on offense?

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I think Mike Shula is suspect. He's done a terrific job as an OC, but there's nothing to suggest he can replicate that success as a HC. And Cam Newton deserves way more credit than he gets around here. He's a different kind of animal at QB. If MS last name was Smith, I don't know if the fan base would have such a hard on for him.

 

I think Newton and Stewart are having their best seasons of their careers, and Stewart hasn't been nicked up for once in his career.

 

Stewart has been banged up all season, and has actually missed games this season. Newton is absolutely having a career year but he is doing it with a rookie WR and TED GINN JR. as his main wide receiver threats. That alone should get him MVP honors.

Ted

Ginn

Jr.

 

Brees was already on the trajectory he achieved before leaving SD. Since their SB win, they've regressed.

Cam was never at the level he is now nor was he really pointing in this direction. Shula took over the offense and fit the offense to Cam and boom, a season for the ages. Also, I can't think of a single offensive skill player from the Saints SB win that I would trade for a single Carolina skill player this season (outside of QB of course).

He's got the single most important factor any coach can have...the ability to exceed expectations relative to the talent level by adapting to that talent.

I broke that rule with Philbin, and I obviously paid for being that stupid. But Shula has shown he can do that, so did his old man, which is why he's the best ever.

 

The idea of Mike Shula does intrigue me, but I think before we go all in on the patriarchal namesake, we should probably take a good look at WHAT has made Shula successful in Carolina.

If we aren't willing to completely duplicate, then to get him would be useless.

 

That's just it, he's been successful there because, like his dad, he adapted to the talent there.

 

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I throw my hat in the ring for Jimmy Johnson to replace Tannebaum.

 

I don't know how much you watch the Panthers... but it was/is more like Shula adapting to Cam's gifts/talents. And on top of that... with Cam I believe you or me could be successful OCs.

Somehow they got lucky (skill?) getting good/excellent OL play. Nobody knew who would replace Gross and they had a couple other holes there. Somehow they meshed together and now are playing pretty good. We need that 'somehow' desperately.
But... If you don't block for Cam he is an elite runner. If you do block for him... he throws pretty good too. Not real accurate all the time... but a strong arm.

 

No probably not especially since he just got fired in Atlanta. Mike Skith sucks and I want no part of him.

 

So we get Payton this year and maybe Brees the year after next year? How is that a viable winning plan? I love Brees but his career is trending downward at his age.

 

I would have to say with Shula, how has he learned, adapted and improved from his earlier failures in the head spot. Sometimes a retread learns and becomes good (BB ofc is the most famous) but many just cannot hack it.

 

I don't think he failed anywhere.

 

just for sh$$ and giggles, lets say we get payton...brees will be a free agent next year, and I personally believe brees will play a long time, and if he wants to leave new orleans then yes, that would be a winning formula...

 

I'm coming in late, but I just don't feel Brees these days. I live in Saints country and watch the Saints, and can say unequivocally that Brees is in the declining stages of his career. Don't get me wrong, he still balls, but from a guy who had surgery on a shoulder that seemed to enhance his spin, he seems to be losing that spin just a bit and recently had a decent little injury to that shoulder. I just don't see it, and I believe it was last year that he really seemed down after a playoff loss that showed that he couldn't quite spin it in the Seattle weather.

HOFer, but I truly believe Brees retires before he makes a move elsewhere. He doesn't have anything else to prove. He owns New Orleans, and will be to New Orleans what Marino is to Miami. Except, maybe better. There's no reason for this guy to go anywhere else; especially, Miami. I don't think I'd want him. I didn't want him back during the Saban years, but that was going off of a guy who was undersized (now I know better), who didn't have the greatest arm to begin with, and who just had a potentially career-ending surgery on his throwing shoulder. I wanted his smarts, just not the injury history. I don't know that you would have seen his ascension quite like he has had WITHOUT Sean Payton. It was a perfect marriage, tbh.

No to Brees. Wouldn't be good for him, the cap, or the NFL history books. Just no.

 

One of the sad stories for this franchise: how many times have we missed on Brees? In the draft, in FA, and now we're talking about him again..

 

Maybe you`re right, in that case I`ll go with........Cowher.

<--------- or this guys son

 

Here's Cam Newton's QB ratings:

2011 = 84.5
2012 = 86.2
2013 = 88.8
2014 = 82.1

After Shula?

98.9

 

LOL, Shula has been there since 2011(QB coach), and he's been the OC since 2013.

 

And?

 

i mean shula must be doing something right.

 

He was fired from Alabama in his only HC gig so far after consistently not meeting expectations and falling short. He has also been fired as a coordinator.

What makes his success this year with Carolina something that will translate into a success at HC. How much of this season for them is Newton ascending vs. Shula's impact. And really does it matter? His job as a HC is not to tutor individual players but organize, coordinate and direct the team.

Not bagging on him per se, just have seen people gushing lately because of Carolinas record. We need to see why they have that record and how/if Shula can or would bring that here.

 

Oh, ok, so lets see how you're going to squirm out of this one.

You were wrong, it's all after Shula, not just this year.

 

You should probably read up on the Panthers a little bit and see what's different this year.

 

He was also handcuffed at Bama because they were under sanctions before he got there. He did a solid job as OC in Tampa and Jacksonville with mediocre talent at QB.

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The other guy I would consider is Todd Haley. Has prior coaching experience, alot of success in Pittsburgh this year, and has been on several teams as position coach or coordinator

 

Perhaps it you that should read up on when Shula got there.

 

I don't think you understand what was going on there, that's why I repeat, you should probably read up a little.

 

Whatever, Shula has been there since 2011, and has been the OC since 2013.

 

Ok, hey I guess that totally covers it then. I mean there's nothing else to understand or learn about the situation.

 

I don't see why you guys think it is Shula... I follow the Panthers closely and nothing has changed except Cam getting better and smarter. Somehow their OL has meshed and their WR have performed OK without having Benjamin all year. The D has held the fort for a couple of years as Cam has progressed. I don't see why you think Shula has done such a good job... when you basically have Superman back there at QB. He is both the teams best passer AND runner. He is as big as a DL... and as agile as any linebacker. He has a cannon arm and his accuracy/decision making is improving every game. He is a OC's dream come true.
If he will bring Cam with him I am all for it .

 

If we hire Shula I hope it's not just because he has a stud QB like Philbin had.


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Cam Newton's average QB rating his first 4 years was 85.4.

Then this year it exploded to 98.9. Either one thinks a magic button was pushed and all of a sudden Cam adds 10 points to his best QB rating OR Shula, included Cam in the offensive game planning sessions and tailored the offense around Cam.

Which is more likely do you think?

Side note....
Ryan Tannehill's average QB rating his first 4 years is 84.8 (that could still go up or down since he has 2 games left).

 

Carolina has been undefeated since Newton got his fig jacked in that wreck last year. I live in Carolina country and most people hated him (and prob still do because of Auburn and all that). Anyway, Shula has nothing to do with Cam, and Hiring him would be a horrible, horrible decision that could get Miami kicked out to Cuba or Puerto Ricowhen they start their franchise.

 

So its a coincidence then that once Shula changed the offense to suit Newton and include him in game planning, that all of a sudden Newton became a 10 point better QB?

Interesting.