It’s not your imagination; Miami Dolphins’ pass defense is historically bad

moot point. the whole freaking team sucks. enough badness to go around. tanny? he sucks man, defense? they suck, coaches? suck. o line? sucks. and on and on. we are what we are, worst team top to bottom in our division. lets hope we loose the last 2 games, at least we should get that right, i hope so we get a higher pick, because these bumbs havent played with pride all year so dont start now. put the young guys in, bench tanny so he doesnt get killed, let miller get is 1000. merry christmas

 

we should play Moore the last two games

 

I really think they r going to win this week and we drop about 5 spots in draft.

 

If it's to prevent Tannehill from getting killed I agree. If it's to see what Moore can do I disagree we know what Moore can and can not do and how limited he is. Moore is neither a starter or a stop gap. If it's to lose and for better draft position I disagree with that strategy as well.

 

Man, I know you always want to win, but right now, winning actually hurts us.

I hate these situations.

 

I don't know. I could have sworn that 2007 was worse.

 

To be fair, the defense's inability to get off the field on third down coupled with the offense's inability to sustain drives are prime factors.

 

Absolutely. But a major reason we can't sustain drives is because we abandon the run too soon and the opposing defense can tee off on our horrible pass blocking oline.

 

Great "club level" like response to the topic...

 

Yeah, I know.

Its almost as if I've heard Tannehaters blame the defense's problems on their QB in this thread and others or something.

 

The two units have worked in harmony to give the other team the ball for as long as they would like the entire season, and special teams has even chipped in by forcing the offense to start within their own five yard line with generous frequency. Total team effort!

 

so... in 5 years we'll go undefeated and win the superbowl?

 

Sorry, but that's a ridiculous claim.

I would've went with something like "A primary reason."

Generating first downs, be it through heavy pass or run, will consume clock and ToP. The offense's ineptness plays into these defensive historic numbers quite directly. And it's certainly not just playcalling. It's poor execution all the way around.

But yeah, the defense has been pitiful regardless

 

In five years, absolutely anything could happen with any team. Its the beauty of the NFL, and one of the things that makes it so special compared to the other sports.

 

No.

I said our ToP sucks because we don't run the ball. That's a fact. If we ran the ball an average amount of time our ToP would be to the point that no one would point to it as a problem.


Could the passing game do more to increase the ToP? Maybe, a little. It would still be a problem though and its much harder to do without running the ball.

This is Football 101 type stuff.

 

Yeah, I mean, you don't look at a team with low ToP, and say, "Hmmmm...to fix this, we should throw even more." It defies logic. You increase ToP with a good run game. That's football. Throwing the ball a ton is a surefire way to kill ToP.

 

Football 101 also says that to be effective on third down, you don't want to be consistently in third and long, throwing the ball behind a terrible line, in an offense that seems to rarely have any options past the marker, and often with multiple receivers bunched in the same part of the field.

But, let's try to downplay how much the lack of running affects the offense.

 

Yeah sure. I mean that's why teams throw to run out the clock.

Sigh.

Do you guys understand, we run the ball the fewest amount of times in the league...by far?

 

Running the ball more helps third down efficiency. Running the ball more drastically helps ToP. Running the ball more helps the passing game.

All of this is doubly true when your #1 RB averages almost 5 ypc.

 

Sure, but its more like:

Running game is 80%
"inefficient" passing game is 10%
terrible third down conversion efficiency is 10%

Basically because the running game helps the other two.

 

You are acting as if they are equal. They aren't even close.

You're doing the equivalent of saying a patient with cancer, a hang nail and a cold has 3 reasons for being in the hospital.

 

I didn't say you said it, I said you're acting as if...because you are.

The drives would be extended and the third down efficiency would improve if we ran more.


And all of that would significantly raise the ToP. The key and by far the major component is the running game.

 

Not sure why this is confusing everyone.

Our ToP sucks because of not running enough.

Our third down efficiency could improve our ToP a little, but it would still suck if we don't run more. Plus, running more will improve 3rd down efficiency.

There is nothing we could do that would improve our ToP from the "suck" category to the "not suck" category outside of running more. If Tannehill could magically improve 3rd down efficiency without a better line and without running more, ToP would improve a little but still suck. We would go from like 31st to 29th. Whoppie do. Doesn't solve the problem.

Running an average amount of runs would likely raise us from "suck" to middle of the pack at minimum.

So, regardless of the attempt by you to show I'm contradicting myself, I'm not. If want to get ToP out of the basement, run the ball more, nothing else will get it out of the basement. Other things will improve it, minimally but it will still suck.

 

Third down efficiency is bad, due to the distance we often need combined with offensive scheme often not having receivers past the sticks. Why are we in lousy distances on third down? Because we don't run and/or penalties.

Trying to boil this down to passing efficiency is silly. It's particularly hard to have efficient passing with no run game and poor offensive scheme.

The run game is the major culprit.

 

Oh for crying out loud, learn to read what was written.

 

Sigh.

Those quotes don't contradict each other. So I say again, read was written. i know, I know, you guys so desperately want to get a "gotcha" on the horrible big mean Fin D. But this wasn't your moment I'm afraid.

I'm not arguing that 3rd down efficiency wouldn't improve ToP. I'm saying the only thing that will pull our ToP out of the suck category is running the ball. This is clear, if you know, you read what i said.

 

OK so it's the worst season we've had other than 2007.

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1988 season

 

At least we had Marino then! Lol

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I wonder though...is it identifying..or coaching?

Vernon Davis...Sean Smith...love to have those two back